From: Stefan Hanreich <s.hanreich@proxmox.com>
To: pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH docs/gui-tests/manager/network/proxmox{-ve-rs,-perl-rs} v3 00/13] Add IS-IS protocol to fabrics
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2026 10:58:05 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <e61ca7e7-ca8f-45c8-94d0-89ae00c3a3b5@proxmox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d8993760-72b7-4591-abc0-b6b154cb5857@proxmox.com>
On 9/1/26 10:55 AM, Hannes Laimer wrote:
> On 2026-09-01 10:33, Gabriel Goller wrote:
>> On 01.09.2026 09:09, Hannes Laimer wrote:
>>> On 2026-08-31 14:59, Gabriel Goller wrote:
>>>> On 31.08.2026 14:27, Gabriel Goller wrote:
>>>>> On 31.08.2026 10:48, Hannes Laimer wrote:
>>>>>> Aside from these very tiny nits/questions, looks very good to me:
>>>>>> - could we have the same `network_type`-nob here that we introduced for
>>>>>> OSPF?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, makes sense. ISIS supports network-type broadcast (unlike openfabric) and
>>>>> even multi-access (e.g. multiple devices behind a switch).
>>>>
>>>> Oh, no wait I won't be adding this. ISIS only has broadcast and point-to-point
>>>> available, and the default is broadcast. We use broadcast when an interface ip
>>>> is set and point-to-point when no ip is set.
>>>>
>>>
>>> yes, but we only need a specified ip for v4 broadcast, v6 does not. so
>>> unnumbered v6 broadcast is not possible currently
>>
>> Hmm that's true. v6 broadcast works in two scenarios: link-local addresses
>> (which IMO is not "unnumbered" -- but this is debatable :)), and because it uses
>> ndp instead of arp, which doesn't have the weird address-selection.
>>
>> I thought a while back about this -- we don't need to duplicate the ipv6
>> addresses to the interface. But then we should also remove the link-local
>> addresses to make it clean.
>
> i don't think we can, the ll would be the next-hop..
My thoughts exactly, unless I'm missing something?
>>
>>> the ip for the nic is taken from the node config, so leaving the nic ip
>>> fields empty doesn't necesarrily mean do p2p, p2p still needs a
>>> next-htop target and for v4 this has to be specified. we just take the
>>> ip from the node, which is fine. but leaving the ip field empty does not
>>> imply do `p2p`, just: use the node-ip for either(p2p or broadcast).
>>>
>>> for v6 we could actually never copy the node-ip to the nic(we do that
>>> now always), this would allow configuring unnumbered v6 broadcast or
>>> p2p, which are both possible with v6.
>>>
>>> does isisd support v4-via-v6 routes? if it does we could just do v6
>>> unnumbered in case no nic ip is specified and skip configuring the nic
>>> ourself..
>>
>> Nope.
>
> :/
Only BGP (and Babel) currently do afaik ;_;
>>> either way, I still think the nob makes sense here, cause the the
>>> existance of a specified ip on the nic doesn't really point either way
>>> (bc or p2p), both need one, and for v6 can work without one
>>
>> Hmm yes you're right. We could add a knob like with ospf, where we have "auto"
>> (the current heuristic to select network-type) and then "point-to-point" and
>> "broadcast".
>
> sounds good, im just not sure if 'auto' could be interpreted as 'find
> out if there is multiple in this L2 domain'.. since this would be new,
> maybe just the two explicit choices might be better, but fine either way
I feel explicitly setting the mode is better and easier to explain to users as
well...
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-01 8:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-28 11:32 [PATCH docs/gui-tests/manager/network/proxmox{-ve-rs,-perl-rs} v3 00/13] Add IS-IS protocol to fabrics Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH proxmox-ve-rs v3 01/13] frr: add fabric properties to ISIS types and rename domain Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH proxmox-ve-rs v3 02/13] ve-config: add IS-IS fabric config parsing and frr config generation Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH proxmox-ve-rs v3 03/13] ve-config: add integration tests for IS-IS fabrics Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH proxmox-ve-rs v3 04/13] ve-config: add IS-IS status deserialization types Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH proxmox-ve-rs v3 05/13] frr: accept legacy ISIS domain field Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH proxmox-perl-rs v3 06/13] pve-rs: fabrics: add IS-IS protocol ifupdown config generation Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH proxmox-perl-rs v3 07/13] sdn: add IS-IS fabric status reporting Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH pve-network v3 08/13] fabrics: add IS-IS api types Gabriel Goller
2026-08-31 8:39 ` Hannes Laimer
2026-08-31 13:29 ` Gabriel Goller
2026-09-01 7:42 ` Hannes Laimer
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH pve-network v3 09/13] sdn: controllers: rename isis domain to fabric_id Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH pve-manager v3 10/13] fabrics: add IS-IS panels Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH pve-manager v3 11/13] sdn: add warning about IS-IS controller deprecation Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH pve-docs v3 12/13] sdn: add section about IS-IS fabric Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH pve-gui-tests v3 13/13] fabrics: add screenshots for IS-IS fabric and nodes Gabriel Goller
2026-08-31 8:48 ` [PATCH docs/gui-tests/manager/network/proxmox{-ve-rs,-perl-rs} v3 00/13] Add IS-IS protocol to fabrics Hannes Laimer
2026-08-31 12:27 ` Gabriel Goller
2026-08-31 12:59 ` Gabriel Goller
2026-09-01 7:09 ` Hannes Laimer
2026-09-01 8:33 ` Gabriel Goller
2026-09-01 8:54 ` Hannes Laimer
2026-09-01 8:58 ` Stefan Hanreich [this message]
2026-09-01 9:59 ` Gabriel Goller
2026-09-01 10:26 ` Gabriel Goller
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