* [PATCH manager v2] fix #8093: pvestatd: remove stale lxc console reaper
@ 2026-10-09 12:38 Elias Huhsovitz
2026-10-12 13:26 ` Filip Schauer
2026-10-12 16:35 ` applied: " Thomas Lamprecht
0 siblings, 2 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: Elias Huhsovitz @ 2026-10-09 12:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pve-devel; +Cc: Elias Huhsovitz
remove_stale_lxc_consoles() calls PVE::LXC::vmstatus() every cycle,
which runs `lxc-info` once per running container. Since
update_lxc_status() already calls vmstatus() in the same cycle, this
doubles the overhead of running `lxc-info`. Thus, this overhead is
scaling linearly with the number of containers.
Under normal operation, lxc-console and dtach exit automatically when
the container stops. The reaper only fires in broken system states, such
as deleting the container config file while the container is still
running. A continuous polling reaper is not an appropriate mechanism for
these situations.
Remove the reaper entirely.
Signed-off-by: Elias Huhsovitz <e.huhsovitz@proxmox.com>
---
This patch removes the reaper entirely. No replacement mechanism is
added. If a console process becomes orphaned due to manual system
interference, the administrator can identify and kill it directly.
A type of "replacement" machenanism that bridges this gap is
currently being discussed [1], based on patch [2].
Alternatives considered
-----------------------
* Wrapping console commands in transient systemd scopes bound via
PartOf= to the container service.
Verdict: rejected because lxc-stop ends the
service without a systemd stop job, so PartOf= does not propagate.
* A manual `pct cleanup console` CLI tool.
Verdict: cleanup shouldn't be manual.
* An ExecStopPost= hook on pve-container@.service.
Changes v1->v2:
---------------
* scrap the idea of binding console sessions to container lifetime via
systemd scoopes.
Previous versions
-----------------
v1: https://lore.proxmox.com/pve-devel/20261007083726.26067-1-e.huhsovitz@proxmox.com/
References
----------
[1] https://lore.proxmox.com/pve-devel/82fceb8e-f52d-4e56-9dcf-5cd61393fa26@proxmox.com/
[2] https://lore.proxmox.com/pve-devel/20260121112335.84473-1-f.schauer@proxmox.com/
Summary of Changes
------------------
PVE/Service/pvestatd.pm | 18 ------------------
1 file changed, 18 deletions(-)
diff --git a/PVE/Service/pvestatd.pm b/PVE/Service/pvestatd.pm
index 34f9da71..cec66e00 100755
--- a/PVE/Service/pvestatd.pm
+++ b/PVE/Service/pvestatd.pm
@@ -444,20 +444,6 @@ sub update_qemu_status {
PVE::PullMetric::update($pull_txn, 'qemu', $vmstatus, $ctime);
}
-sub remove_stale_lxc_consoles {
-
- my $vmstatus = PVE::LXC::vmstatus();
- my $pidhash = PVE::LXC::find_lxc_console_pids();
-
- foreach my $vmid (keys %$pidhash) {
- next if defined($vmstatus->{$vmid});
- syslog('info', "remove stale lxc-console for CT $vmid");
- foreach my $pid (@{ $pidhash->{$vmid} }) {
- kill(9, $pid);
- }
- }
-}
-
my $rebalance_error_count = {};
my $NO_REBALANCE;
@@ -848,10 +834,6 @@ sub update_status {
$err = $@;
syslog('err', "storage status update error: $err") if $err;
- eval { remove_stale_lxc_consoles(); };
- $err = $@;
- syslog('err', "lxc console cleanup error: $err") if $err;
-
eval { rotate_authkeys(); };
$err = $@;
syslog('err', "authkey rotation error: $err") if $err;
--
2.47.3
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* Re: [PATCH manager v2] fix #8093: pvestatd: remove stale lxc console reaper
2026-10-09 12:38 [PATCH manager v2] fix #8093: pvestatd: remove stale lxc console reaper Elias Huhsovitz
@ 2026-10-12 13:26 ` Filip Schauer
2026-10-12 16:35 ` applied: " Thomas Lamprecht
1 sibling, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: Filip Schauer @ 2026-10-12 13:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Elias Huhsovitz, pve-devel
As far as my testing is concerned, the only way to produce an orphaned
lxc-console process is to manually send a SIGSTOP to the lxc-console
process and then stop the container. So I don't think this cleanup
serves any purpose.
As a test I started 50 containers and measured how long the
remove_stale_lxc_console call was taking: It took about 0.8 seconds on
my machine. Which is quite long considering it runs every 10 seconds.
Calling lxc-info twice for every running container every 10 seconds
sounds inefficient. So I am in favor of removing this so we at least
drop this from two lxc-info calls down to one lxc-info call per running
container every 10 seconds.
I applied this patch locally and bulk shutdown hundreds of containers
with lxc-consoles. Not a single stale lxc-console remained.
Tested-by: Filip Schauer <f.schauer@proxmox.com>
Reviewed-by: Filip Schauer <f.schauer@proxmox.com>
On 09/10/2026 14:38, Elias Huhsovitz wrote:
> remove_stale_lxc_consoles() calls PVE::LXC::vmstatus() every cycle,
> which runs `lxc-info` once per running container. Since
> update_lxc_status() already calls vmstatus() in the same cycle, this
> doubles the overhead of running `lxc-info`. Thus, this overhead is
> scaling linearly with the number of containers.
>
> Under normal operation, lxc-console and dtach exit automatically when
> the container stops. The reaper only fires in broken system states, such
> as deleting the container config file while the container is still
> running. A continuous polling reaper is not an appropriate mechanism for
> these situations.
Even in this situation (deleting the container config while the
container is running) the reaper is not needed, since lxc-console exits
automatically when the container stops.
>
> Remove the reaper entirely.
>
> Signed-off-by: Elias Huhsovitz <e.huhsovitz@proxmox.com>
> ---
> This patch removes the reaper entirely. No replacement mechanism is
> added. If a console process becomes orphaned due to manual system
> interference, the administrator can identify and kill it directly.
>
> A type of "replacement" machenanism that bridges this gap is
> currently being discussed [1], based on patch [2].
>
> Alternatives considered
> -----------------------
> * Wrapping console commands in transient systemd scopes bound via
> PartOf= to the container service.
> Verdict: rejected because lxc-stop ends the
> service without a systemd stop job, so PartOf= does not propagate.
>
> * A manual `pct cleanup console` CLI tool.
> Verdict: cleanup shouldn't be manual.
>
> * An ExecStopPost= hook on pve-container@.service.
>
> Changes v1->v2:
> ---------------
> * scrap the idea of binding console sessions to container lifetime via
> systemd scoopes.
>
> Previous versions
> -----------------
> v1: https://lore.proxmox.com/pve-devel/20261007083726.26067-1-e.huhsovitz@proxmox.com/
>
> References
> ----------
> [1] https://lore.proxmox.com/pve-devel/82fceb8e-f52d-4e56-9dcf-5cd61393fa26@proxmox.com/
> [2] https://lore.proxmox.com/pve-devel/20260121112335.84473-1-f.schauer@proxmox.com/
>
> Summary of Changes
> ------------------
> PVE/Service/pvestatd.pm | 18 ------------------
> 1 file changed, 18 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/PVE/Service/pvestatd.pm b/PVE/Service/pvestatd.pm
> index 34f9da71..cec66e00 100755
> --- a/PVE/Service/pvestatd.pm
> +++ b/PVE/Service/pvestatd.pm
> @@ -444,20 +444,6 @@ sub update_qemu_status {
> PVE::PullMetric::update($pull_txn, 'qemu', $vmstatus, $ctime);
> }
>
> -sub remove_stale_lxc_consoles {
> -
> - my $vmstatus = PVE::LXC::vmstatus();
> - my $pidhash = PVE::LXC::find_lxc_console_pids();
> -
> - foreach my $vmid (keys %$pidhash) {
> - next if defined($vmstatus->{$vmid});
> - syslog('info', "remove stale lxc-console for CT $vmid");
> - foreach my $pid (@{ $pidhash->{$vmid} }) {
> - kill(9, $pid);
> - }
> - }
> -}
> -
> my $rebalance_error_count = {};
>
> my $NO_REBALANCE;
> @@ -848,10 +834,6 @@ sub update_status {
> $err = $@;
> syslog('err', "storage status update error: $err") if $err;
>
> - eval { remove_stale_lxc_consoles(); };
> - $err = $@;
> - syslog('err', "lxc console cleanup error: $err") if $err;
> -
> eval { rotate_authkeys(); };
> $err = $@;
> syslog('err', "authkey rotation error: $err") if $err;
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* applied: [PATCH manager v2] fix #8093: pvestatd: remove stale lxc console reaper
2026-10-09 12:38 [PATCH manager v2] fix #8093: pvestatd: remove stale lxc console reaper Elias Huhsovitz
2026-10-12 13:26 ` Filip Schauer
@ 2026-10-12 16:35 ` Thomas Lamprecht
1 sibling, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: Thomas Lamprecht @ 2026-10-12 16:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pve-devel, Elias Huhsovitz
On Fri, 09 Oct 2026 14:38:19 +0200, Elias Huhsovitz wrote:
> remove_stale_lxc_consoles() calls PVE::LXC::vmstatus() every cycle,
> which runs `lxc-info` once per running container. Since
> update_lxc_status() already calls vmstatus() in the same cycle, this
> doubles the overhead of running `lxc-info`. Thus, this overhead is
> scaling linearly with the number of containers.
>
> Under normal operation, lxc-console and dtach exit automatically when
> the container stops. The reaper only fires in broken system states, such
> as deleting the container config file while the container is still
> running. A continuous polling reaper is not an appropriate mechanism for
> these situations.
>
> [...]
Applied, thanks!
[1/1] fix #8093: pvestatd: remove stale lxc console reaper
https://git.proxmox.com/?p=pve-manager.git;a=commitdiff;h=888c136dd303f41d7950a5c9c7381a6f14cea33b
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