From: Arthur Bied-Charreton <a.bied-charreton@proxmox.com>
To: Lukas Wagner <l.wagner@proxmox.com>
Cc: pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH proxmox 01/29] add new proxmox-match-expression crate
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2026 10:58:50 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5srhv7xnzfrwp6m7tlq7qii663dmjdmdkrp6ut53a6dvzj4mkf@pnw43sbh5unw> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DLLPXVPFCUEJ.2B45QMETZ1SLA@proxmox.com>
On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 10:56:59AM +0200, Lukas Wagner wrote:
> On Fri Sep 4, 2026 at 2:25 PM CEST, Robert Obkircher wrote:
> >
> > On 04.09.26 11:48, Lukas Wagner wrote:
> >>>> [..]
> >>>> + pub fn evaluate(&self, data: &D) -> Result<EvaluatedExpressionWithResult<M>, E> {
> >>>> + let evaluated_expression = match self {
> >>>> + Expression::AllOf(expressions) => {
> >>>> + if expressions.is_empty() {
> >>>> + // 'all-of' without any sub-expressions is *not* a match
> >>>> + EvaluatedExpressionWithResult {
> >>>> + expression: EvaluatedExpression::AllOf(Vec::new()),
> >>>> + matches: false,
> >>>> + }
> >>> this probaly does not matter too much as long as it's documented, but
> >>> intuitively (and based on implementations for all-expressions in
> >>> other languages like rust and python) i would expect all([]) to evaluate to
> >>> true.
> >> Yeah, I see where you are coming from, but after some consideration I've
> >> decided that I'd like to keep it this way.
> >>
> >> For non-coders, all([]) being true is not very intuitive, and I'd prefer
> >> to just say "hey, all combinators eval to false if they have no
> >> children" in the docs.
> >
> > Even non-coders understand why all of my Ferraris are red :)
> >
> > Would it be possible to forbid the empty lists entirely? e.g. by
> > rewriting all([]) to true when someone saves an empty list.
> >
>
> I'm not sure if I'm a fan of automatically rewriting rules, I think this
> is counter-intuitive for users.
>
> But, giving this another thought:
>
> - since proxmox-match-expression is supposed to be generic, keep it 'mathmatically' correct,
> so let all([]) eval to true
> - disallow creating empty all-of/any-of/one-of rules in the UI and API
>
> What do you think?
sounds good to me!
>
>
>
>
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Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-09 11:56 [PATCH many 00/29] notifications: add nested match expressions Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:56 ` [PATCH proxmox 01/29] add new proxmox-match-expression crate Lukas Wagner
2026-07-24 6:46 ` Arthur Bied-Charreton
2026-09-04 9:48 ` Lukas Wagner
2026-09-04 12:25 ` Robert Obkircher
2026-09-22 8:56 ` Lukas Wagner
2026-09-22 8:58 ` Arthur Bied-Charreton [this message]
2026-07-09 11:56 ` [PATCH proxmox 02/29] notify: promote matcher to dir-style module Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:56 ` [PATCH proxmox 03/29] notify: fix doc comment Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:56 ` [PATCH proxmox 04/29] notify: matcher: break out severity matcher into submodule Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:56 ` [PATCH proxmox 05/29] notify: matcher: break out field " Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:56 ` [PATCH proxmox 06/29] notify: matcher: break out calendar " Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:56 ` [PATCH proxmox 07/29] notify: matcher: calendar: add basic unit test Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:56 ` [PATCH proxmox 08/29] notify: matcher: add InlineSeverityMatcher Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:56 ` [PATCH proxmox 09/29] notify: matcher: add InlineFieldMatcher Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:56 ` [PATCH proxmox 10/29] notify: matcher: add InlineCalendarMatcher Lukas Wagner
2026-07-24 6:47 ` Arthur Bied-Charreton
2026-07-24 9:43 ` Wolfgang Bumiller
2026-09-04 12:23 ` Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:56 ` [PATCH proxmox 11/29] notify: matcher: add expression support Lukas Wagner
2026-07-24 6:59 ` Arthur Bied-Charreton
2026-07-24 8:27 ` PVE::Cluster::cfs_lock_domain - bizarre issue Anthony Galica
2026-07-24 9:38 ` :Cluster::cfs_lock_domain " Anthony Galica
2026-07-25 7:14 ` Anthony Galica
2026-07-09 11:56 ` [PATCH proxmox 12/29] notify: api: support new expression parameter Lukas Wagner
2026-07-24 6:46 ` Arthur Bied-Charreton
2026-07-24 10:01 ` Wolfgang Bumiller
2026-07-24 11:38 ` Arthur Bied-Charreton
2026-07-09 11:57 ` [PATCH proxmox 13/29] notify: api: add `get_matcher_as_expression` Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:57 ` [PATCH proxmox 14/29] notify: migrate PBS's and PVE's default matcher to expression syntax Lukas Wagner
2026-07-24 6:47 ` Arthur Bied-Charreton
2026-09-22 13:40 ` Lukas Wagner
2026-09-22 13:45 ` Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:57 ` [PATCH proxmox 15/29] notify: move legacy matcher keys behind feature flag Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:57 ` [PATCH proxmox-widget-toolkit 16/29] notification: increase matcher window width Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:57 ` [PATCH proxmox-widget-toolkit 17/29] notifications: matcher: add support for match expressions Lukas Wagner
2026-07-24 6:45 ` Arthur Bied-Charreton
2026-07-09 11:57 ` [PATCH proxmox-widget-toolkit 18/29] notification: matcher: add better calendar editor Lukas Wagner
2026-07-24 6:46 ` Arthur Bied-Charreton
2026-09-04 12:16 ` Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:57 ` [PATCH proxmox-widget-toolkit 19/29] notifications: matcher: consistently use title case for UI elements Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:57 ` [PATCH proxmox-backup 20/29] notification: opt into 'legacy-matchers' feature in proxmox-notify Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:57 ` [PATCH proxmox-backup 21/29] api: notification: add 'migrate-to-expression' parameter to get_matcher Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:57 ` [PATCH proxmox-backup 22/29] ui: notification: enable new matcher UI Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:57 ` [PATCH proxmox-perl-rs 23/29] notify: matcher: pass matcher config / updater directly Lukas Wagner
2026-07-28 13:09 ` Wolfgang Bumiller
2026-07-09 11:57 ` [PATCH proxmox-perl-rs 24/29] notify: opt into 'legacy-matchers' feature in proxmox-notify Lukas Wagner
2026-07-24 6:48 ` Arthur Bied-Charreton
2026-07-09 11:57 ` [PATCH proxmox-perl-rs 25/29] notify: add 'migrate_to_expression' parameter for get_matcher Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:57 ` [PATCH manager 26/29] api: notification: pass config/updater directly to rust bindings Lukas Wagner
2026-07-31 7:19 ` Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:57 ` [PATCH manager 27/29] api: notification: get_matcher: add 'migrate-to-expression' parameter Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:57 ` [PATCH manager 28/29] api: notification: add 'expression' to matcher parameter schema Lukas Wagner
2026-07-09 11:57 ` [PATCH manager 29/29] ui: notification: enable new matcher UI Lukas Wagner
2026-07-24 6:44 ` [PATCH many 00/29] notifications: add nested match expressions Arthur Bied-Charreton
2026-07-24 6:53 ` Arthur Bied-Charreton
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