From: Christian Ebner <c.ebner@proxmox.com>
To: "Fabian Grünbichler" <f.gruenbichler@proxmox.com>,
pbs-devel@lists.proxmox.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH proxmox-backup 1/2] fix #6373: HTTP level reader heartbeat for proxy connection keepalive
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2026 13:56:11 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <53ba7742-4349-49f8-ba1d-83b6d7bce16a@proxmox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1776252750.j77nhquhlu.astroid@yuna.none>
On 4/15/26 1:47 PM, Fabian Grünbichler wrote:
> On April 15, 2026 1:22 pm, Christian Ebner wrote:
>> On 4/15/26 12:59 PM, Fabian Grünbichler wrote:
>>> On April 15, 2026 10:45 am, Christian Ebner wrote:
>>>> On 4/15/26 10:32 AM, Fabian Grünbichler wrote:
>>>>> On January 29, 2026 1:26 pm, Christian Ebner wrote:
>>>>>> Backup readers can have long periods of idle connections, e.g. if a
>>>>>> backup snapshot has been mounted and all relevant chunks are locally
>>>>>> cached or a backup session with previous metadata archive not needing
>>>>>> to fetch new contents while the backup is ongoing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Proxies like e.g. HAProxy might however close idle connections for
>>>>>> better resource handling [0,1], even multiplexed HTTP/2 connections as
>>>>>> are being used for the Proxmox Backup Sever backup/reader protocol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This mainly affects the backup reader, while the backup writer will
>>>>>> do indexing and chunk uploads anyways.
>>>>>
>>>>> but if the storage is slow, there might not be chunk traffic for a few
>>>>> seconds as well?
>>>> So you suggest to implement the same for the backup writer as well?
>>>
>>> I am wondering whether it wouldn't make sense (though I guess 5s is
>>> quite agressive anyway, and higher idle timeouts make it unlikely to
>>> trigger in practice?)
>>
>>
>> Yes, I think for the writer this is way less relevant.
>> Only the super slow storage case where the chunk is uploaded quickly,
>> but then the storage takes ages to write it.
>
> I was more worried about the *reading* being slow client-side, and thus
> the chunk stream having big pauses between chunks, in particular when a
> lot/most/all chunks are read, but not uploaded.
>
> e.g., if I ratelimit the input side to 10MB/s for an incremental backup,
> there's long breaks between traffic from proxmox-backup-client to
> proxmox-backup-proxy, roughly every 2m there's some sort of lower-level
> keep-alive mechanism, and otherwise there is only traffic whenever the
> client has read 128 re-used chunks (with 2.5 chunks/second that takes a
> while in this example ;)) or some non-incremental data comes along and
> forces a "flush".
Yeah, so we can conclude it makes sense to have it for the writer as
well. So if agreed, I would add this controlled by
PBS_WRITER_HEARTBEAT_TIMEOUT then.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-04-15 11:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-29 12:26 [RFC proxmox{,-backup} 0/3] fix #6373: HTTP level keepalive for http2 backup reader connection Christian Ebner
2026-01-29 12:26 ` [PATCH proxmox 1/1] rest-server: add request logfilter by method and path in h2 service Christian Ebner
2026-01-29 12:26 ` [PATCH proxmox-backup 1/2] fix #6373: HTTP level reader heartbeat for proxy connection keepalive Christian Ebner
2026-04-15 8:33 ` Fabian Grünbichler
2026-04-15 8:45 ` Christian Ebner
2026-04-15 11:00 ` Fabian Grünbichler
2026-04-15 11:22 ` Christian Ebner
2026-04-15 11:48 ` Fabian Grünbichler
2026-04-15 11:56 ` Christian Ebner [this message]
2026-01-29 12:27 ` [PATCH proxmox-backup 2/2] api: h2service: avoid logging heartbeat requests to task log Christian Ebner
2026-04-10 17:11 ` [RFC proxmox{,-backup} 0/3] fix #6373: HTTP level keepalive for http2 backup reader connection Christian Ebner
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