From: Gabriel Goller <g.goller@proxmox.com>
To: Stefan Hanreich <s.hanreich@proxmox.com>
Cc: pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH docs/gui-tests/manager/network/proxmox{-ve-rs,-perl-rs} v3 00/13] Add IS-IS protocol to fabrics
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2026 11:59:26 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <apacfLN1uvYh-xcv@luna.proxmox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e61ca7e7-ca8f-45c8-94d0-89ae00c3a3b5@proxmox.com>
On 01.09.2026 10:58, Stefan Hanreich wrote:
>
>
> On 9/1/26 10:55 AM, Hannes Laimer wrote:
> > On 2026-09-01 10:33, Gabriel Goller wrote:
> >> On 01.09.2026 09:09, Hannes Laimer wrote:
> >>> On 2026-08-31 14:59, Gabriel Goller wrote:
> >>>> On 31.08.2026 14:27, Gabriel Goller wrote:
> >>>>> On 31.08.2026 10:48, Hannes Laimer wrote:
> >>>>>> Aside from these very tiny nits/questions, looks very good to me:
> >>>>>> - could we have the same `network_type`-nob here that we introduced for
> >>>>>> OSPF?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes, makes sense. ISIS supports network-type broadcast (unlike openfabric) and
> >>>>> even multi-access (e.g. multiple devices behind a switch).
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh, no wait I won't be adding this. ISIS only has broadcast and point-to-point
> >>>> available, and the default is broadcast. We use broadcast when an interface ip
> >>>> is set and point-to-point when no ip is set.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> yes, but we only need a specified ip for v4 broadcast, v6 does not. so
> >>> unnumbered v6 broadcast is not possible currently
> >>
> >> Hmm that's true. v6 broadcast works in two scenarios: link-local addresses
> >> (which IMO is not "unnumbered" -- but this is debatable :)), and because it uses
> >> ndp instead of arp, which doesn't have the weird address-selection.
> >>
> >> I thought a while back about this -- we don't need to duplicate the ipv6
> >> addresses to the interface. But then we should also remove the link-local
> >> addresses to make it clean.
> >
> > i don't think we can, the ll would be the next-hop..
>
> My thoughts exactly, unless I'm missing something?
Works without a nexthop using the onlink flag. But I forgot this is not merged
yet, so nevermind (https://github.com/FRRouting/frr/pull/19429).
> >>> the ip for the nic is taken from the node config, so leaving the nic ip
> >>> fields empty doesn't necesarrily mean do p2p, p2p still needs a
> >>> next-htop target and for v4 this has to be specified. we just take the
> >>> ip from the node, which is fine. but leaving the ip field empty does not
> >>> imply do `p2p`, just: use the node-ip for either(p2p or broadcast).
> >>>
> >>> for v6 we could actually never copy the node-ip to the nic(we do that
> >>> now always), this would allow configuring unnumbered v6 broadcast or
> >>> p2p, which are both possible with v6.
> >>>
> >>> does isisd support v4-via-v6 routes? if it does we could just do v6
> >>> unnumbered in case no nic ip is specified and skip configuring the nic
> >>> ourself..
> >>
> >> Nope.
> >
> > :/
>
> Only BGP (and Babel) currently do afaik ;_;
>
>
> >>> either way, I still think the nob makes sense here, cause the the
> >>> existance of a specified ip on the nic doesn't really point either way
> >>> (bc or p2p), both need one, and for v6 can work without one
> >>
> >> Hmm yes you're right. We could add a knob like with ospf, where we have "auto"
> >> (the current heuristic to select network-type) and then "point-to-point" and
> >> "broadcast".
> >
> > sounds good, im just not sure if 'auto' could be interpreted as 'find
> > out if there is multiple in this L2 domain'.. since this would be new,
> > maybe just the two explicit choices might be better, but fine either way
>
> I feel explicitly setting the mode is better and easier to explain to users as
> well...
On the ospf fabric we have a option, so you can leave the selector empty (with a
background-text "auto"). I'd do the same here. Otherwise the user needs to
manually select point-to-point or broadcast on all interfaces. (We could prefill
it though...)
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Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-28 11:32 [PATCH docs/gui-tests/manager/network/proxmox{-ve-rs,-perl-rs} v3 00/13] Add IS-IS protocol to fabrics Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH proxmox-ve-rs v3 01/13] frr: add fabric properties to ISIS types and rename domain Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH proxmox-ve-rs v3 02/13] ve-config: add IS-IS fabric config parsing and frr config generation Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH proxmox-ve-rs v3 03/13] ve-config: add integration tests for IS-IS fabrics Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH proxmox-ve-rs v3 04/13] ve-config: add IS-IS status deserialization types Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH proxmox-ve-rs v3 05/13] frr: accept legacy ISIS domain field Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH proxmox-perl-rs v3 06/13] pve-rs: fabrics: add IS-IS protocol ifupdown config generation Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH proxmox-perl-rs v3 07/13] sdn: add IS-IS fabric status reporting Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH pve-network v3 08/13] fabrics: add IS-IS api types Gabriel Goller
2026-08-31 8:39 ` Hannes Laimer
2026-08-31 13:29 ` Gabriel Goller
2026-09-01 7:42 ` Hannes Laimer
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH pve-network v3 09/13] sdn: controllers: rename isis domain to fabric_id Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH pve-manager v3 10/13] fabrics: add IS-IS panels Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH pve-manager v3 11/13] sdn: add warning about IS-IS controller deprecation Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH pve-docs v3 12/13] sdn: add section about IS-IS fabric Gabriel Goller
2026-08-28 11:32 ` [PATCH pve-gui-tests v3 13/13] fabrics: add screenshots for IS-IS fabric and nodes Gabriel Goller
2026-08-31 8:48 ` [PATCH docs/gui-tests/manager/network/proxmox{-ve-rs,-perl-rs} v3 00/13] Add IS-IS protocol to fabrics Hannes Laimer
2026-08-31 12:27 ` Gabriel Goller
2026-08-31 12:59 ` Gabriel Goller
2026-09-01 7:09 ` Hannes Laimer
2026-09-01 8:33 ` Gabriel Goller
2026-09-01 8:54 ` Hannes Laimer
2026-09-01 8:58 ` Stefan Hanreich
2026-09-01 9:59 ` Gabriel Goller [this message]
2026-09-01 10:26 ` Gabriel Goller
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