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From: "Tonči Stipičević" <tonci@suma-informatika.hr>
To: Aaron Lauterer <a.lauterer@proxmox.com>,
	Proxmox VE user list <pve-user@lists.proxmox.com>,
	PVE User List <pve-user@pve.proxmox.com>
Subject: Re: [PVE-User] PBS datastore
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 12:24:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e24f7c14-a67d-4188-00c3-3e9fd1fbbe9a@suma-informatika.hr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f8d80e62-2bc4-afde-569f-abbca6150f32@proxmox.com>

Thank you Aaron,

this atribut "small" is blocking point ... like you said it is hard to 
find sata disk under 250G

I was also thinking about 2 x sata-dom 32G/64G   for zfs boot ? Does it 
make any sense (performance/relayibilty-wise?

Ok , today I'm gonna install PBS on 4x2T (disks, not ssds) zfs raid10  
and create one new dataset in /rpool  -> /rpool/databck    ...  So , the 
PBS itself and datastore will reside on the same pool ...  Then I'll 
make some copmarison tests (backup/restore)  and report back some 
relevant results  ...  I'd like to avoid PBS on its own pool because 
this SuperMicro 721 case has only 4 disk slots , a additional ones (2) 
have to be connected directly to MB ...


'till then

BR

Tonci

srdačan pozdrav / best regards

Tonči Stipičević, dipl. ing. elektr.
direktor / manager

SUMA Informatika d.o.o., Badalićeva 27, OIB 93926415263

Podrška / Upravljanje IT sustavima za male i srednje tvrtke
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On 07. 02. 2022. 09:44, Aaron Lauterer wrote:
> A PBS datastore is just a directory somewhere.
>
> If you set up the system on a RAID 10 and want to use that as well for 
> the datastore, I would create a new ZFS dataset for the datastore. 
> This allows you to change certain ZFS properties on that dataset 
> specifically.
>
> There are a few things to consider if you want to have the OS on the 
> same disks as the datastore.
> How fast are the disks? HDDs or SSDs?
> If they are HDDs, then having the OS on separate disks is a good idea 
> because HDDs will already be having a hard time to provide the IOPS 
> for decent performance. If they are *decent* SSDs, you should be fine.
>
> No idea how easy it is to get stuff in Croatia, but this should give 
> you some ideas: 
> https://geizhals.eu/?cat=hdssd&xf=2028_256~4643_Power-Loss+Protection~4832_1~4836_2&sort=r
>
> 250 GiB is plenty of the OS, but anything smaller is hard to find or 
> of dubious quality ;)
>
> Cheers,
> Aaron
>
>
> On 2/7/22 01:10, Tonči Stipičević wrote:
>> I'm planning to use SUPERMICRO 721 box (4 x 2T sata) as PBS
>>
>> So, if I create zfs10 raid as boot drive , I have no more disks left 
>> for datastore, right ?
>>
>> BUT, is it possible to make directory on this / boot drive i.e. 
>> /mnt/datastore   and attach it as datastore ?   Is that a way-to-go  
>> and is there any disadvantages against separate 2 x 240g ssd as boot 
>> and 4 x 2T sata (zfs raid 10 ) for datastore?
>>
>> Actually I'ma having hard time finding 2 x 2,5" small  sata drives 
>> for boot ....
>>
>>    Thank you very much in advance
>>
>> BR
>>
>> Tonci
>>
>> srdačan pozdrav / best regards
>>
>> Tonči Stipičević, dipl. ing. elektr.
>> direktor / manager
>>
>> SUMA Informatika d.o.o., Badalićeva 27, OIB 93926415263
>>
>> Podrška / Upravljanje IT sustavima za male i srednje tvrtke
>> Small & Medium Business IT Support / Management
>>
>> mob: 091 1234003
>> www.suma-informatika.hr
>>
>>
>>
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  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-07 11:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.5.1644058801.1657.pve-user@lists.proxmox.com>
2022-02-07  0:10 ` Tonči Stipičević
2022-02-07  8:44   ` Aaron Lauterer
2022-02-07 11:24     ` Tonči Stipičević [this message]
2022-02-07 12:36       ` Aaron Lauterer
2022-02-07 12:42         ` Tonči Stipičević
2022-02-08 12:52           ` Aaron Lauterer
2022-02-07  9:55   ` nada

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