* [PVE-User] PBS datastore [not found] <mailman.5.1644058801.1657.pve-user@lists.proxmox.com> @ 2022-02-07 0:10 ` Tonči Stipičević 2022-02-07 8:44 ` Aaron Lauterer 2022-02-07 9:55 ` nada 0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Tonči Stipičević @ 2022-02-07 0:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: PVE User List I'm planning to use SUPERMICRO 721 box (4 x 2T sata) as PBS So, if I create zfs10 raid as boot drive , I have no more disks left for datastore, right ? BUT, is it possible to make directory on this / boot drive i.e. /mnt/datastore and attach it as datastore ? Is that a way-to-go and is there any disadvantages against separate 2 x 240g ssd as boot and 4 x 2T sata (zfs raid 10 ) for datastore? Actually I'ma having hard time finding 2 x 2,5" small sata drives for boot .... Thank you very much in advance BR Tonci srdačan pozdrav / best regards Tonči Stipičević, dipl. ing. elektr. direktor / manager SUMA Informatika d.o.o., Badalićeva 27, OIB 93926415263 Podrška / Upravljanje IT sustavima za male i srednje tvrtke Small & Medium Business IT Support / Management mob: 091 1234003 www.suma-informatika.hr ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [PVE-User] PBS datastore 2022-02-07 0:10 ` [PVE-User] PBS datastore Tonči Stipičević @ 2022-02-07 8:44 ` Aaron Lauterer 2022-02-07 11:24 ` Tonči Stipičević 2022-02-07 9:55 ` nada 1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Aaron Lauterer @ 2022-02-07 8:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Proxmox VE user list, Tonči Stipičević, PVE User List A PBS datastore is just a directory somewhere. If you set up the system on a RAID 10 and want to use that as well for the datastore, I would create a new ZFS dataset for the datastore. This allows you to change certain ZFS properties on that dataset specifically. There are a few things to consider if you want to have the OS on the same disks as the datastore. How fast are the disks? HDDs or SSDs? If they are HDDs, then having the OS on separate disks is a good idea because HDDs will already be having a hard time to provide the IOPS for decent performance. If they are *decent* SSDs, you should be fine. No idea how easy it is to get stuff in Croatia, but this should give you some ideas: https://geizhals.eu/?cat=hdssd&xf=2028_256~4643_Power-Loss+Protection~4832_1~4836_2&sort=r 250 GiB is plenty of the OS, but anything smaller is hard to find or of dubious quality ;) Cheers, Aaron On 2/7/22 01:10, Tonči Stipičević wrote: > I'm planning to use SUPERMICRO 721 box (4 x 2T sata) as PBS > > So, if I create zfs10 raid as boot drive , I have no more disks left for datastore, right ? > > BUT, is it possible to make directory on this / boot drive i.e. /mnt/datastore and attach it as datastore ? Is that a way-to-go and is there any disadvantages against separate 2 x 240g ssd as boot and 4 x 2T sata (zfs raid 10 ) for datastore? > > Actually I'ma having hard time finding 2 x 2,5" small sata drives for boot .... > > Thank you very much in advance > > BR > > Tonci > > srdačan pozdrav / best regards > > Tonči Stipičević, dipl. ing. elektr. > direktor / manager > > SUMA Informatika d.o.o., Badalićeva 27, OIB 93926415263 > > Podrška / Upravljanje IT sustavima za male i srednje tvrtke > Small & Medium Business IT Support / Management > > mob: 091 1234003 > www.suma-informatika.hr > > > > _______________________________________________ > pve-user mailing list > pve-user@lists.proxmox.com > https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pve-user ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [PVE-User] PBS datastore 2022-02-07 8:44 ` Aaron Lauterer @ 2022-02-07 11:24 ` Tonči Stipičević 2022-02-07 12:36 ` Aaron Lauterer 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Tonči Stipičević @ 2022-02-07 11:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Aaron Lauterer, Proxmox VE user list, PVE User List Thank you Aaron, this atribut "small" is blocking point ... like you said it is hard to find sata disk under 250G I was also thinking about 2 x sata-dom 32G/64G for zfs boot ? Does it make any sense (performance/relayibilty-wise? Ok , today I'm gonna install PBS on 4x2T (disks, not ssds) zfs raid10 and create one new dataset in /rpool -> /rpool/databck ... So , the PBS itself and datastore will reside on the same pool ... Then I'll make some copmarison tests (backup/restore) and report back some relevant results ... I'd like to avoid PBS on its own pool because this SuperMicro 721 case has only 4 disk slots , a additional ones (2) have to be connected directly to MB ... 'till then BR Tonci srdačan pozdrav / best regards Tonči Stipičević, dipl. ing. elektr. direktor / manager SUMA Informatika d.o.o., Badalićeva 27, OIB 93926415263 Podrška / Upravljanje IT sustavima za male i srednje tvrtke Small & Medium Business IT Support / Management mob: 091 1234003 www.suma-informatika.hr On 07. 02. 2022. 09:44, Aaron Lauterer wrote: > A PBS datastore is just a directory somewhere. > > If you set up the system on a RAID 10 and want to use that as well for > the datastore, I would create a new ZFS dataset for the datastore. > This allows you to change certain ZFS properties on that dataset > specifically. > > There are a few things to consider if you want to have the OS on the > same disks as the datastore. > How fast are the disks? HDDs or SSDs? > If they are HDDs, then having the OS on separate disks is a good idea > because HDDs will already be having a hard time to provide the IOPS > for decent performance. If they are *decent* SSDs, you should be fine. > > No idea how easy it is to get stuff in Croatia, but this should give > you some ideas: > https://geizhals.eu/?cat=hdssd&xf=2028_256~4643_Power-Loss+Protection~4832_1~4836_2&sort=r > > 250 GiB is plenty of the OS, but anything smaller is hard to find or > of dubious quality ;) > > Cheers, > Aaron > > > On 2/7/22 01:10, Tonči Stipičević wrote: >> I'm planning to use SUPERMICRO 721 box (4 x 2T sata) as PBS >> >> So, if I create zfs10 raid as boot drive , I have no more disks left >> for datastore, right ? >> >> BUT, is it possible to make directory on this / boot drive i.e. >> /mnt/datastore and attach it as datastore ? Is that a way-to-go >> and is there any disadvantages against separate 2 x 240g ssd as boot >> and 4 x 2T sata (zfs raid 10 ) for datastore? >> >> Actually I'ma having hard time finding 2 x 2,5" small sata drives >> for boot .... >> >> Thank you very much in advance >> >> BR >> >> Tonci >> >> srdačan pozdrav / best regards >> >> Tonči Stipičević, dipl. ing. elektr. >> direktor / manager >> >> SUMA Informatika d.o.o., Badalićeva 27, OIB 93926415263 >> >> Podrška / Upravljanje IT sustavima za male i srednje tvrtke >> Small & Medium Business IT Support / Management >> >> mob: 091 1234003 >> www.suma-informatika.hr >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pve-user mailing list >> pve-user@lists.proxmox.com >> https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pve-user > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [PVE-User] PBS datastore 2022-02-07 11:24 ` Tonči Stipičević @ 2022-02-07 12:36 ` Aaron Lauterer 2022-02-07 12:42 ` Tonči Stipičević 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Aaron Lauterer @ 2022-02-07 12:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Tonči Stipičević, Proxmox VE user list On 2/7/22 12:24, Tonči Stipičević wrote: > Thank you Aaron, > > this atribut "small" is blocking point ... like you said it is hard to find sata disk under 250G > > I was also thinking about 2 x sata-dom 32G/64G for zfs boot ? Does it make any sense (performance/relayibilty-wise? SATA DOMs need to be considered carefully. If they can last long enough, then why not. But if they are just cheap SSDs that will wear out fast... well. > > Ok , today I'm gonna install PBS on 4x2T (disks, not ssds) zfs raid10 and create one new dataset in /rpool -> /rpool/databck ... So , the PBS itself and datastore will reside on the same pool ... Then I'll make some copmarison tests (backup/restore) and report back some relevant results ... I'd like to avoid PBS on its own pool because this SuperMicro 721 case has only 4 disk slots , a additional ones (2) have to be connected directly to MB ... > > > 'till then > > BR > > Tonci > > srdačan pozdrav / best regards > > Tonči Stipičević, dipl. ing. elektr. > direktor / manager > > SUMA Informatika d.o.o., Badalićeva 27, OIB 93926415263 > > Podrška / Upravljanje IT sustavima za male i srednje tvrtke > Small & Medium Business IT Support / Management > > mob: 091 1234003 > www.suma-informatika.hr > > On 07. 02. 2022. 09:44, Aaron Lauterer wrote: >> A PBS datastore is just a directory somewhere. >> >> If you set up the system on a RAID 10 and want to use that as well for the datastore, I would create a new ZFS dataset for the datastore. This allows you to change certain ZFS properties on that dataset specifically. >> >> There are a few things to consider if you want to have the OS on the same disks as the datastore. >> How fast are the disks? HDDs or SSDs? >> If they are HDDs, then having the OS on separate disks is a good idea because HDDs will already be having a hard time to provide the IOPS for decent performance. If they are *decent* SSDs, you should be fine. >> >> No idea how easy it is to get stuff in Croatia, but this should give you some ideas: https://geizhals.eu/?cat=hdssd&xf=2028_256~4643_Power-Loss+Protection~4832_1~4836_2&sort=r >> >> 250 GiB is plenty of the OS, but anything smaller is hard to find or of dubious quality ;) >> >> Cheers, >> Aaron >> >> >> On 2/7/22 01:10, Tonči Stipičević wrote: >>> I'm planning to use SUPERMICRO 721 box (4 x 2T sata) as PBS >>> >>> So, if I create zfs10 raid as boot drive , I have no more disks left for datastore, right ? >>> >>> BUT, is it possible to make directory on this / boot drive i.e. /mnt/datastore and attach it as datastore ? Is that a way-to-go and is there any disadvantages against separate 2 x 240g ssd as boot and 4 x 2T sata (zfs raid 10 ) for datastore? >>> >>> Actually I'ma having hard time finding 2 x 2,5" small sata drives for boot .... >>> >>> Thank you very much in advance >>> >>> BR >>> >>> Tonci >>> >>> srdačan pozdrav / best regards >>> >>> Tonči Stipičević, dipl. ing. elektr. >>> direktor / manager >>> >>> SUMA Informatika d.o.o., Badalićeva 27, OIB 93926415263 >>> >>> Podrška / Upravljanje IT sustavima za male i srednje tvrtke >>> Small & Medium Business IT Support / Management >>> >>> mob: 091 1234003 >>> www.suma-informatika.hr >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pve-user mailing list >>> pve-user@lists.proxmox.com >>> https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pve-user >> > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [PVE-User] PBS datastore 2022-02-07 12:36 ` Aaron Lauterer @ 2022-02-07 12:42 ` Tonči Stipičević 2022-02-08 12:52 ` Aaron Lauterer 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Tonči Stipičević @ 2022-02-07 12:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Aaron Lauterer, Proxmox VE user list Yes, I'm aware of that too ... Obviously this's not been good-practice and you do not have any recommended models/types ? But they are very "practical" though :) srdačan pozdrav / best regards Tonči Stipičević, dipl. ing. elektr. direktor / manager SUMA Informatika d.o.o., Badalićeva 27, OIB 93926415263 Podrška / Upravljanje IT sustavima za male i srednje tvrtke Small & Medium Business IT Support / Management mob: 091 1234003 www.suma-informatika.hr On 07. 02. 2022. 13:36, Aaron Lauterer wrote: > > > On 2/7/22 12:24, Tonči Stipičević wrote: >> Thank you Aaron, >> >> this atribut "small" is blocking point ... like you said it is hard >> to find sata disk under 250G >> >> I was also thinking about 2 x sata-dom 32G/64G for zfs boot ? Does >> it make any sense (performance/relayibilty-wise? > > SATA DOMs need to be considered carefully. If they can last long > enough, then why not. But if they are just cheap SSDs that will wear > out fast... well. > >> >> Ok , today I'm gonna install PBS on 4x2T (disks, not ssds) zfs raid10 >> and create one new dataset in /rpool -> /rpool/databck ... So , >> the PBS itself and datastore will reside on the same pool ... Then >> I'll make some copmarison tests (backup/restore) and report back >> some relevant results ... I'd like to avoid PBS on its own pool >> because this SuperMicro 721 case has only 4 disk slots , a additional >> ones (2) have to be connected directly to MB ... >> >> >> 'till then >> >> BR >> >> Tonci >> >> srdačan pozdrav / best regards >> >> Tonči Stipičević, dipl. ing. elektr. >> direktor / manager >> >> SUMA Informatika d.o.o., Badalićeva 27, OIB 93926415263 >> >> Podrška / Upravljanje IT sustavima za male i srednje tvrtke >> Small & Medium Business IT Support / Management >> >> mob: 091 1234003 >> www.suma-informatika.hr >> >> On 07. 02. 2022. 09:44, Aaron Lauterer wrote: >>> A PBS datastore is just a directory somewhere. >>> >>> If you set up the system on a RAID 10 and want to use that as well >>> for the datastore, I would create a new ZFS dataset for the >>> datastore. This allows you to change certain ZFS properties on that >>> dataset specifically. >>> >>> There are a few things to consider if you want to have the OS on the >>> same disks as the datastore. >>> How fast are the disks? HDDs or SSDs? >>> If they are HDDs, then having the OS on separate disks is a good >>> idea because HDDs will already be having a hard time to provide the >>> IOPS for decent performance. If they are *decent* SSDs, you should >>> be fine. >>> >>> No idea how easy it is to get stuff in Croatia, but this should give >>> you some ideas: >>> https://geizhals.eu/?cat=hdssd&xf=2028_256~4643_Power-Loss+Protection~4832_1~4836_2&sort=r >>> >>> 250 GiB is plenty of the OS, but anything smaller is hard to find or >>> of dubious quality ;) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Aaron >>> >>> >>> On 2/7/22 01:10, Tonči Stipičević wrote: >>>> I'm planning to use SUPERMICRO 721 box (4 x 2T sata) as PBS >>>> >>>> So, if I create zfs10 raid as boot drive , I have no more disks >>>> left for datastore, right ? >>>> >>>> BUT, is it possible to make directory on this / boot drive i.e. >>>> /mnt/datastore and attach it as datastore ? Is that a way-to-go >>>> and is there any disadvantages against separate 2 x 240g ssd as >>>> boot and 4 x 2T sata (zfs raid 10 ) for datastore? >>>> >>>> Actually I'ma having hard time finding 2 x 2,5" small sata drives >>>> for boot .... >>>> >>>> Thank you very much in advance >>>> >>>> BR >>>> >>>> Tonci >>>> >>>> srdačan pozdrav / best regards >>>> >>>> Tonči Stipičević, dipl. ing. elektr. >>>> direktor / manager >>>> >>>> SUMA Informatika d.o.o., Badalićeva 27, OIB 93926415263 >>>> >>>> Podrška / Upravljanje IT sustavima za male i srednje tvrtke >>>> Small & Medium Business IT Support / Management >>>> >>>> mob: 091 1234003 >>>> www.suma-informatika.hr >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> pve-user mailing list >>>> pve-user@lists.proxmox.com >>>> https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pve-user >>> >> > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [PVE-User] PBS datastore 2022-02-07 12:42 ` Tonči Stipičević @ 2022-02-08 12:52 ` Aaron Lauterer 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Aaron Lauterer @ 2022-02-08 12:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Tonči Stipičević, Proxmox VE user list On 2/7/22 13:42, Tonči Stipičević wrote: > Yes, I'm aware of that too ... > > Obviously this's not been good-practice and you do not have any recommended models/types ? No, I actually never used any, only looked into them a few times, but never found anything that I really liked. Another thing though that could work, especially with newer boards, are NVMEs in m.2 format. The last server boards that I looked into and eventually also bought, have m.2 NVME slots. > > But they are very "practical" though :) > > srdačan pozdrav / best regards > > Tonči Stipičević, dipl. ing. elektr. > direktor / manager > > SUMA Informatika d.o.o., Badalićeva 27, OIB 93926415263 > > Podrška / Upravljanje IT sustavima za male i srednje tvrtke > Small & Medium Business IT Support / Management > > mob: 091 1234003 > www.suma-informatika.hr > > On 07. 02. 2022. 13:36, Aaron Lauterer wrote: >> >> >> On 2/7/22 12:24, Tonči Stipičević wrote: >>> Thank you Aaron, >>> >>> this atribut "small" is blocking point ... like you said it is hard to find sata disk under 250G >>> >>> I was also thinking about 2 x sata-dom 32G/64G for zfs boot ? Does it make any sense (performance/relayibilty-wise? >> >> SATA DOMs need to be considered carefully. If they can last long enough, then why not. But if they are just cheap SSDs that will wear out fast... well. >> >>> >>> Ok , today I'm gonna install PBS on 4x2T (disks, not ssds) zfs raid10 and create one new dataset in /rpool -> /rpool/databck ... So , the PBS itself and datastore will reside on the same pool ... Then I'll make some copmarison tests (backup/restore) and report back some relevant results ... I'd like to avoid PBS on its own pool because this SuperMicro 721 case has only 4 disk slots , a additional ones (2) have to be connected directly to MB ... >>> >>> >>> 'till then >>> >>> BR >>> >>> Tonci >>> >>> srdačan pozdrav / best regards >>> >>> Tonči Stipičević, dipl. ing. elektr. >>> direktor / manager >>> >>> SUMA Informatika d.o.o., Badalićeva 27, OIB 93926415263 >>> >>> Podrška / Upravljanje IT sustavima za male i srednje tvrtke >>> Small & Medium Business IT Support / Management >>> >>> mob: 091 1234003 >>> www.suma-informatika.hr >>> >>> On 07. 02. 2022. 09:44, Aaron Lauterer wrote: >>>> A PBS datastore is just a directory somewhere. >>>> >>>> If you set up the system on a RAID 10 and want to use that as well for the datastore, I would create a new ZFS dataset for the datastore. This allows you to change certain ZFS properties on that dataset specifically. >>>> >>>> There are a few things to consider if you want to have the OS on the same disks as the datastore. >>>> How fast are the disks? HDDs or SSDs? >>>> If they are HDDs, then having the OS on separate disks is a good idea because HDDs will already be having a hard time to provide the IOPS for decent performance. If they are *decent* SSDs, you should be fine. >>>> >>>> No idea how easy it is to get stuff in Croatia, but this should give you some ideas: https://geizhals.eu/?cat=hdssd&xf=2028_256~4643_Power-Loss+Protection~4832_1~4836_2&sort=r >>>> >>>> 250 GiB is plenty of the OS, but anything smaller is hard to find or of dubious quality ;) >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Aaron >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/7/22 01:10, Tonči Stipičević wrote: >>>>> I'm planning to use SUPERMICRO 721 box (4 x 2T sata) as PBS >>>>> >>>>> So, if I create zfs10 raid as boot drive , I have no more disks left for datastore, right ? >>>>> >>>>> BUT, is it possible to make directory on this / boot drive i.e. /mnt/datastore and attach it as datastore ? Is that a way-to-go and is there any disadvantages against separate 2 x 240g ssd as boot and 4 x 2T sata (zfs raid 10 ) for datastore? >>>>> >>>>> Actually I'ma having hard time finding 2 x 2,5" small sata drives for boot .... >>>>> >>>>> Thank you very much in advance >>>>> >>>>> BR >>>>> >>>>> Tonci >>>>> >>>>> srdačan pozdrav / best regards >>>>> >>>>> Tonči Stipičević, dipl. ing. elektr. >>>>> direktor / manager >>>>> >>>>> SUMA Informatika d.o.o., Badalićeva 27, OIB 93926415263 >>>>> >>>>> Podrška / Upravljanje IT sustavima za male i srednje tvrtke >>>>> Small & Medium Business IT Support / Management >>>>> >>>>> mob: 091 1234003 >>>>> www.suma-informatika.hr >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> pve-user mailing list >>>>> pve-user@lists.proxmox.com >>>>> https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pve-user >>>> >>> >> > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [PVE-User] PBS datastore 2022-02-07 0:10 ` [PVE-User] PBS datastore Tonči Stipičević 2022-02-07 8:44 ` Aaron Lauterer @ 2022-02-07 9:55 ` nada 1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: nada @ 2022-02-07 9:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Proxmox VE user list hi Tonci in case you do not have time and small disks you may create 3 ZFS mirrors so there will be for example rpool for PVE ctpool for CT/QM datapool for backups e.g. in your case rpool and ctpool may be on 2disks (sda and sdb) datapool will be on 2 disks (sdc and sdd) during PVE installation you may select ZFS allocate 2 disks in mirror and limit volume space to 300G after installation you may see status zpool list -v fdisk -l /dev/sda fdisk -l /dev/sdb ... PVE will be probably installed at sda1,sda2,sda3 and sdb1,sdb2,sdb3 respectively and rpool will be probably ZFS mirror over the partitions sda3 and sdb3 after that you may create partitions sda4 and sdb4 (type Solaris /usr & Apple ZFS) with zpool mirror over it zpool create -f -o ashift=12 ctpool mirror /dev/sda4 /dev/sdb4 after installation you may dedicate the rest 2 disks for datastore e.g. zpool create -f -o ashift=12 datapool mirror /dev/sdc /dev/sdd finally you will declare your PVE storage and you may start to play ;-) hope it helps Nada On 2022-02-07 01:10, Tonči Stipičević wrote: > I'm planning to use SUPERMICRO 721 box (4 x 2T sata) as PBS > > So, if I create zfs10 raid as boot drive , I have no more disks left > for datastore, right ? > > BUT, is it possible to make directory on this / boot drive i.e. > /mnt/datastore and attach it as datastore ? Is that a way-to-go > and is there any disadvantages against separate 2 x 240g ssd as boot > and 4 x 2T sata (zfs raid 10 ) for datastore? > > Actually I'ma having hard time finding 2 x 2,5" small sata drives for > boot .... > > Thank you very much in advance > > BR > > Tonci > > srdačan pozdrav / best regards > > Tonči Stipičević, dipl. ing. elektr. > direktor / manager > > SUMA Informatika d.o.o., Badalićeva 27, OIB 93926415263 > > Podrška / Upravljanje IT sustavima za male i srednje tvrtke > Small & Medium Business IT Support / Management > > mob: 091 1234003 > www.suma-informatika.hr > > > > _______________________________________________ > pve-user mailing list > pve-user@lists.proxmox.com > https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pve-user ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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