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From: Roland <devzero@web.de>
To: Thomas Lamprecht <t.lamprecht@proxmox.com>,
	Proxmox VE user list <pve-user@lists.proxmox.com>,
	Dietmar Maurer <dietmar@proxmox.com>,
	martin@proxmox.com
Subject: Re: [PVE-User] Proxmox Backup Server (beta)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 16:06:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <883f66d0-cee9-fa5b-e914-fb8cc63bb5f9@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <89ad8a6e-4d67-4782-9c0c-e403f7bde090@proxmox.com>

i think there may be a misunderstanding here or i was not clear enough
to express what i meant.

i guess in terms of backup storage,  pbs is doing similar to what
borgbackup does - so indeed that IS i/o and storage effient , but that
refers to the backup target side.

but what about the backup source?

I was referring to VMware cbt as that is a means of avoiding I/O on the
VM storage, i.e. the backup source.

afaik, proxmox/kvm does not (yet) have something like that !?

I you have lot's of terabytes of VM disks, each incremental backup run
will hog the VMs storage (the same like full backup).

In VMware, this is adressed with "changed block tracking", as a backup
agent can determine which blocks of a VMs disks have changed between
incremental backups, so it won't need to scan through the whole VMs
disks on each differential/incremental backup run.

see:
https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/1020128
https://helpcenter.veeam.com/docs/backup/vsphere/changed_block_tracking.html?ver=100

i don't want to criticize proxmox, i think proxmox is fantastic, i just
want to know what we get ( and what we don't get).

regards
roland


Am 10.07.20 um 15:43 schrieb Thomas Lamprecht:

> On 10.07.20 14:24, Roland wrote:
>> fantastic! :)
>>
>> but - how does it work ?
> It uses a content addressable storage to save the data chunks.
> Effectively, the same data chunk doesn't uses additional storage if saved more than once.
>



  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-10 14:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-10 10:56 Martin Maurer
2020-07-10 11:42 ` Roland
2020-07-10 12:09   ` Dietmar Maurer
2020-07-10 12:24     ` Roland
2020-07-10 13:43       ` Thomas Lamprecht
2020-07-10 14:06         ` Roland [this message]
2020-07-10 14:15           ` Thomas Lamprecht
2020-07-10 14:46             ` Roland
2020-07-10 17:31               ` Roland
2020-07-10 13:44       ` Dietmar Maurer
     [not found] ` <mailman.77.1594381090.12071.pve-user@lists.proxmox.com>
2020-07-10 11:45   ` Dietmar Maurer
     [not found]     ` <a92c7f1d-f492-2d43-00b9-15bdb0e805ec@binovo.es>
2020-07-10 13:50       ` Thomas Lamprecht
2020-07-10 12:03 ` Lindsay Mathieson
2020-07-10 12:13   ` Dietmar Maurer
2020-07-10 15:41     ` Dietmar Maurer
2020-07-11 11:03       ` mj
2020-07-11 11:38         ` Thomas Lamprecht
2020-07-11 13:34           ` mj
2020-07-11 13:47             ` Thomas Lamprecht
2020-07-11 14:40             ` Dietmar Maurer
2020-07-14 14:30               ` Alexandre DERUMIER
2020-07-14 15:52                 ` Thomas Lamprecht
2020-07-14 21:17                   ` Alexandre DERUMIER
2020-07-15  4:52                     ` Thomas Lamprecht
     [not found]                       ` <176392164.4390.1594849016963.JavaMail.zimbra@numberall.com>
2020-07-16  7:33                         ` Thomas Lamprecht
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.204.1594849027.12071.pve-user@lists.proxmox.com>
2020-07-16 10:17                         ` Wolfgang Bumiller
2020-07-16 14:36                           ` Mark Schouten
2020-07-16 17:04                             ` Thomas Lamprecht
2020-07-16 13:03                   ` Tom Weber
2020-07-17  7:31                     ` Fabian Grünbichler
2020-07-17 13:23                       ` Tom Weber
2020-07-17 17:43                         ` Thomas Lamprecht
2020-07-18 14:59                           ` Tom Weber
2020-07-18 18:07                             ` Thomas Lamprecht
2020-07-10 12:45 ` Iztok Gregori
2020-07-10 13:41   ` Dietmar Maurer
2020-07-10 15:20     ` Iztok Gregori
2020-07-10 15:31       ` Dietmar Maurer
2020-07-10 16:29         ` Iztok Gregori
2020-07-10 16:46           ` Dietmar Maurer
     [not found] ` <a1e5f8dd-efd5-f8e2-50c1-683d42b0f61b@truelite.it>
2020-07-10 14:23   ` Thomas Lamprecht
2020-07-10 15:59 ` Lindsay Mathieson
     [not found] ` <mailman.86.1594396120.12071.pve-user@lists.proxmox.com>
2020-07-10 16:32   ` Dietmar Maurer
2020-10-06 13:12 ` Lee Lists
2020-10-08  8:21   ` Thomas Lamprecht
2020-10-09  9:27     ` Lee Lists
2020-10-09 12:10 Lee Lists

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