From: Maximiliano Sandoval <m.sandoval@proxmox.com>
To: Friedrich Weber <f.weber@proxmox.com>
Cc: pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH pve-cluster 2/2] api: cluster config: create new clusters with lower token coefficient
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2026 17:09:20 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <s8o7bsc7jrj.fsf@proxmox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260212115928.148999-3-f.weber@proxmox.com> (Friedrich Weber's message of "Thu, 12 Feb 2026 12:57:56 +0100")
Friedrich Weber <f.weber@proxmox.com> writes:
> corosync makes use of several timeouts, in particular the token and
> consensus timeouts. The sum of these two timeouts yields the minimum
> time a cluster needs to reestablish a membership after a token loss
> due to a complete node failure.
>
> By default, corosync sets the timeouts based on the cluster size [1]:
>
> token timeout = token + (#nodes - 2) * token_coefficient
> consensus timeout = 1.2 * token timeout
>
> token defaults to 3000ms, token_coefficient defaults to 650ms.
>
> With more than ~30 nodes in the default settings, the sum of token and
> consensus timeouts gets close to or exceeds 50-60s. As a result, after
> a token loss due to a complete node failure in an HA cluster, the
> watchdog may fence nodes because it takes too long to reestablish a
> new membership and quorum.
>
> One way to avoid this is to lower the sum of the token and consensus
> timeouts. The consensus timeout is intentionally slightly larger than
> the token timeout [2], so the definition of the consensus timeout in
> terms of the token timeout should be preserved. Since it does make
> sense to define both timeouts in terms of the cluster size, the most
> viable option to lower the timeouts appears to be to adjust the
> token_coefficient. Experiments suggest that the default 650ms is
> overly conservative considering the low-latency network requirements
> postulated in the admin guide [3].
>
> Hence, create new clusters with a default token coefficient of 125ms.
> This keeps the sum of token and consensus timeouts well below 50s for
> realistic cluster sizes. Users who prefer a larger token coefficient
> can manually override the token coefficient when creating a cluster
> via pvecm create. The token coefficient can also be changed for an
> existing cluster, this will be documented separately.
>
> Note that knet_ping_interval and knet_ping_timeout are derived from
> the token timeout, hence, a lower token coefficient will result in
> more frequent kronosnet pings and shorter ping timeouts.
>
> With this change, newly created clusters will always set an explicit
> token_coefficient in their corosync.conf.
>
> [1] https://manpages.debian.org/trixie/corosync/corosync.conf.5.en.html#token_coefficient
> [2] https://github.com/corosync/corosync/commit/b3e19b29058eafc3e808ded7f4c2440c3f957392
> [3] https://pve.proxmox.com/pve-docs/chapter-pvecm.html#pvecm_cluster_network_requirements
>
> Signed-off-by: Friedrich Weber <f.weber@proxmox.com>
> ---
> src/PVE/API2/ClusterConfig.pm | 9 +++++++++
> 1 file changed, 9 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/src/PVE/API2/ClusterConfig.pm b/src/PVE/API2/ClusterConfig.pm
> index 1bc7bcf..8df257a 100644
> --- a/src/PVE/API2/ClusterConfig.pm
> +++ b/src/PVE/API2/ClusterConfig.pm
> @@ -111,12 +111,21 @@ __PACKAGE__->register_method({
> minimum => 1,
> optional => 1,
> },
> + 'token-coefficient' => {
> + type => 'integer',
> + description => "Token coefficient to set in the corosync configuration.",
This description does not help understanding what it does, no more than
its name at least. It would perhaps be preferable to say something along
the lines of:
"Coefficient used to determine Corosync's token timeout. See the
corosync.conf(5) manual for more details."
> + default => 125,
> + minimum => 0,
> + optional => 1,
> + },
> }),
> },
> returns => { type => 'string' },
> code => sub {
> my ($param) = @_;
>
> + $param->{'token-coefficient'} //= 125;
> +
> die "cluster config '$clusterconf' already exists\n" if -f $clusterconf;
>
> my $rpcenv = PVE::RPCEnvironment::get();
--
Maximiliano
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-02-16 16:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-12 11:57 [PATCH cluster/docs 0/3] create new corosync " Friedrich Weber
2026-02-12 11:57 ` [PATCH pve-cluster 1/2] corosync: create config: allow setting " Friedrich Weber
2026-02-12 11:57 ` [PATCH pve-cluster 2/2] api: cluster config: create new clusters with lower " Friedrich Weber
2026-02-16 16:00 ` Maximiliano Sandoval
2026-02-16 19:36 ` Thomas Lamprecht
2026-02-17 12:44 ` Maximiliano Sandoval
2026-02-17 12:50 ` Friedrich Weber
2026-02-16 16:09 ` Maximiliano Sandoval [this message]
2026-02-12 11:57 ` [PATCH pve-docs 1/1] pvecm: config: document how to change the " Friedrich Weber
2026-02-13 10:12 ` Friedrich Weber
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