Re: [pve-devel] [RFC manager/container/qemu-server/guest-common 0/4] fix #4474: stop tasks may overrule shutdown tasks

[Wolfgang Bumiller <w.bumiller@proxmox.com>]

On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 11:04:26AM +0200, Friedrich Weber wrote:
> Lost track of this a bit, reviving due to user interest [1].
> 
> As the series does not apply anymore, I'll send a new version in any
> case, but wanted to ask for feedback before I do.
> 
> My questions from the cover letter still apply:
> 
> On 26/01/2023 09:32, Friedrich Weber wrote:
> > * Does it make sense to have overruling optional? Or should "stop"
> >   generally overrule shutdown? This might lead to confusing
> >   interactions, as Thomas noted [0].

Although whenever I ran into that I had simply misclicked shutdown or
became impatient. I never had any automated shutdown tasks happen.
Yet I still feel like this should be optional ;-)
(I usually just ended up using `qm stop` on the cli :P)

> > * Backend: Is there a more elegant way to overrule shutdown tasks,
> >   and a better place than pve-guest-common?
> > * Frontend: When stopping a VM/CT, we already ask for confirmation.
> >   Is an (occasional) second modal dialog with a lot of text a good user
> >   experience? Alternatively, I could imagine a checkbox in the first
> >   dialog saying "Overrule any active shutdown tasks".
> 
> Actually I don't really like the second modal dialog. What about the
> following: When the user clicks "Stop" and the frontend detects an
> active shutdown task, the already-existing "Confirm" dialog has an
> additional default-off checkbox "Kill active shutdown tasks" (or
> similar). This way the default behavior does not change, but users do
> not have to kill active shutdown tasks manually anymore.

Sounds good to me.
But maybe don't use the word "kill" 😄 "Replace/Override" should work.

> 
> > * This patch series forbids `overrule-shutdown=1` for HA-managed VMs/CTs
> >   because I didn't know how overruling should work in a HA setting. Do
> >   you have any suggestions?

I think it's okay to disable this for now.