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From: "Michael Köppl" <m.koeppl@proxmox.com>
To: Proxmox VE development discussion <pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com>,
	Daniel Kral <d.kral@proxmox.com>
Subject: Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 23/26] api: introduce ha rules api endpoints
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2025 16:16:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fdefe97f-c4f2-4175-8b89-ff679d5f42e2@proxmox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250620143148.218469-28-d.kral@proxmox.com>

On 6/20/25 16:31, Daniel Kral wrote:
> +my $check_feasibility = sub {
> +    my ($rules) = @_;
> +
> +    $rules = dclone($rules);
> +
> +    # set optional rule parameter's default values
> +    for my $rule (values %{ $rules->{ids} }) {
> +        PVE::HA::Rules->set_rule_defaults($rule);
> +    }
> +
> +    # TODO PVE 10: Remove group migration when HA groups have been fully migrated to location rules
> +    if (!PVE::HA::Config::is_ha_location_enabled()) {
> +        my $groups = PVE::HA::Config::read_group_config();
> +        my $services = PVE::HA::Config::read_and_check_resources_config();
> +
> +        PVE::HA::Rules::Location::delete_location_rules($rules);
> +        PVE::HA::Groups::migrate_groups_to_rules($rules, $groups, $services);
> +    }
> +
> +    return PVE::HA::Rules->check_feasibility($rules);
> +};
> +
> +my $assert_feasibility = sub {
> +    my ($rules, $ruleid) = @_;
> +
> +    my $global_errors = $check_feasibility->($rules);
> +    my $rule_errors = $global_errors->{$ruleid};
> +
> +    return if !$rule_errors;

Consider the following scenario: I have a colocation rule with vm:100
and vm:101 together and a location rule for vm:100 and node1. I would
still be able to add another location rule for vm:101 and node2 because
$global_errors would contain an error for the colocation rule, but
$rule_errors would still be empty as it's strictly speaking not an error
for the location rule I just created and its ID is not contained in
$global_errors.

From a technical standpoint this makes sense, but from a user's
perspective I found this a bit confusing, as whether or not I received
an error dialog upon creation which also stopped me from creating a
contradictory rule depended on the order in which I create said rules.

I understand that, at the moment, location rules trump colocation rules
in this regard and as long as the colocation rule is disabled and
displays a warning as a result of such a scenario, I don't see a problem
with it. Just wanted to note this as a potential future improvement.


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  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-04 14:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-20 14:31 [pve-devel] [RFC common/cluster/ha-manager/docs/manager v2 00/40] HA colocation rules Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH common v2 1/1] introduce HashTools module Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH cluster v2 1/3] cfs: add 'ha/rules.cfg' to observed files Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH cluster v2 2/3] datacenter config: make pve-ha-shutdown-policy optional Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH cluster v2 3/3] datacenter config: introduce feature flag for location rules Daniel Kral
2025-06-23 15:58   ` Thomas Lamprecht
2025-06-24  7:29     ` Daniel Kral
2025-06-24  7:51       ` Thomas Lamprecht
2025-06-24  8:19         ` Daniel Kral
2025-06-24  8:25           ` Thomas Lamprecht
2025-06-24  8:52             ` Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 01/26] tree-wide: make arguments for select_service_node explicit Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 02/26] manager: improve signature of select_service_node Daniel Kral
2025-06-23 16:21   ` Thomas Lamprecht
2025-06-24  8:06     ` Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 03/26] introduce rules base plugin Daniel Kral
2025-07-04 14:18   ` Michael Köppl
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 04/26] rules: introduce location rule plugin Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 16:17   ` Jillian Morgan
2025-06-20 16:30     ` Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 05/26] rules: introduce colocation " Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 06/26] rules: add global checks between location and colocation rules Daniel Kral
2025-07-01 11:02   ` Daniel Kral
2025-07-04 14:43   ` Michael Köppl
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 07/26] config, env, hw: add rules read and parse methods Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 08/26] manager: read and update rules config Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 09/26] test: ha tester: add test cases for future location rules Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 10/26] resources: introduce failback property in service config Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 11/26] manager: migrate ha groups to location rules in-memory Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 12/26] manager: apply location rules when selecting service nodes Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 13/26] usage: add information about a service's assigned nodes Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 14/26] manager: apply colocation rules when selecting service nodes Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 15/26] manager: handle migrations for colocated services Daniel Kral
2025-06-27  9:10   ` Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 16/26] sim: resources: add option to limit start and migrate tries to node Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 17/26] test: ha tester: add test cases for strict negative colocation rules Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 18/26] test: ha tester: add test cases for strict positive " Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 19/26] test: ha tester: add test cases in more complex scenarios Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 20/26] test: add test cases for rules config Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 21/26] manager: handle negative colocations with too many services Daniel Kral
2025-07-01 12:11   ` Michael Köppl
2025-07-01 12:23     ` Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 22/26] config: prune services from rules if services are deleted from config Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 23/26] api: introduce ha rules api endpoints Daniel Kral
2025-07-04 14:16   ` Michael Köppl [this message]
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 24/26] cli: expose ha rules api endpoints to ha-manager cli Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 25/26] api: groups, services: assert use-location-rules feature flag Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager v2 26/26] api: services: check for colocations for service motions Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH docs v2 1/5] ha: config: add section about ha rules Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH docs v2 2/5] update static files to include ha rules api endpoints Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH docs v2 3/5] update static files to include use-location-rules feature flag Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH docs v2 4/5] update static files to include ha resources failback flag Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH docs v2 5/5] update static files to include ha service motion return value schema Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH manager v2 1/5] api: ha: add ha rules api endpoints Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH manager v2 2/5] ui: add use-location-rules feature flag Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH manager v2 3/5] ui: ha: hide ha groups if use-location-rules is enabled Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH manager v2 4/5] ui: ha: adapt resources components " Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 14:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH manager v2 5/5] ui: ha: add ha rules components and menu entry Daniel Kral
2025-06-30 15:09   ` Michael Köppl
2025-07-01 14:38   ` Michael Köppl
2025-06-20 15:43 ` [pve-devel] [RFC common/cluster/ha-manager/docs/manager v2 00/40] HA colocation rules Daniel Kral
2025-06-20 17:11   ` Jillian Morgan
2025-06-20 17:45     ` DERUMIER, Alexandre via pve-devel
     [not found]     ` <476c41123dced9d560dfbf27640ef8705fd90f11.camel@groupe-cyllene.com>
2025-06-23 15:36       ` Thomas Lamprecht
2025-06-24  8:48         ` Daniel Kral
2025-06-27 12:23           ` Friedrich Weber
2025-06-27 12:41             ` Daniel Kral
2025-06-23  8:11 ` DERUMIER, Alexandre via pve-devel
     [not found] ` <bf973ec4e8c52a10535ed35ad64bf0ec8d1ad37d.camel@groupe-cyllene.com>
2025-06-23 15:28   ` Thomas Lamprecht
2025-06-23 23:21     ` DERUMIER, Alexandre via pve-devel

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