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From: Fiona Ebner <f.ebner@proxmox.com>
To: "Fabian Grünbichler" <f.gruenbichler@proxmox.com>,
	"Proxmox VE development discussion" <pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com>
Subject: Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 15/22] vm start/commandline: activate volumes before config_to_command()
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2025 15:27:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e6ef447a-d6e3-4b5a-8845-9361fde0ff5f@proxmox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <386024326.3481.1750079724005@webmail.proxmox.com>

Am 16.06.25 um 15:15 schrieb Fabian Grünbichler:
>> Fiona Ebner <f.ebner@proxmox.com> hat am 16.06.2025 14:57 CEST geschrieben:
>> Am 16.06.25 um 14:46 schrieb Fabian Grünbichler:
>>> variant B:
>>>
>>> move decision which driver to use to plugin via qemu_blockdev_options
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> how would the default/fallback look like here? without activation, we
>>> can't rely on path since that doesn't currently require being activated,
>>> so we can't use it to distinguish block devices from files prior to
>>> activation..
>>
>> As written above, we could still try to probe the file like we currently
>> do. If that works, great, we don't lose anything compared to variant A.
>> If that fails, we look at whether path is set. If yes, then assume it's
>> a file-based storage and use the 'file' driver. Otherwise, use the
>> 'host_device' driver.
> 
> but this assumption will be wrong half the time? if we don't activate
> before deciding the driver, then we can only guess that a given path
> is a file, and not a block device? if we have to activate before guessing,
> then we are back at variant A (or at a mixed variant)?

Many plugins do not require activation. And I mean decide based on
$scfg->{path}. Might be a good enough default implementation still.

But I'm also fine with doing the activation up-front. We'll just need to
fix the locking for showcmd.


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  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-16 13:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-12 14:02 [pve-devel] [PATCH-SERIES qemu-server 00/22] preparation for switch to blockdev Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 01/22] drive: code cleanup: drop unused $vmid parameter from get_path_and_format() Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 02/22] cfg2cmd: require at least QEMU binary version 6.0 Fiona Ebner
2025-06-13  9:18   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-16  8:47     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 03/22] drive: parse: use hash argument for optional parameters Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 04/22] drive: parse drive: support parsing with additional properties Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 05/22] restore: parse drive " Fiona Ebner
2025-06-13  9:30   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-16  8:51     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 06/22] drive: remove geometry options gone since QEMU 3.1 Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 07/22] clone disk: io uring check: fix call to determine cache direct Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 08/22] drive: move storage_allows_io_uring_default() and drive_uses_cache_direct() helpers to drive module Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 09/22] drive: introduce aio_cmdline_option() helper Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 10/22] drive: introduce detect_zeroes_cmdline_option() helper Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 11/22] introduce StateFile module for state file related helpers Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 12/22] vm start: move state file handling to dedicated module Fiona Ebner
2025-06-13 10:00   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-16 10:34     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-16 10:54       ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-16 10:57         ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 13/22] vm start: move config_to_command() call further down Fiona Ebner
2025-06-13 10:05   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-16 10:54     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 14/22] vm start/commandline: also clean up pci reservation when config_to_command() fails Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 15/22] vm start/commandline: activate volumes before config_to_command() Fiona Ebner
2025-06-13 10:16   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-17  7:46     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-13 10:25   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-16 11:31   ` DERUMIER, Alexandre via pve-devel
2025-06-16 11:51     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-16 12:46       ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-16 12:57         ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-16 13:15           ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-16 13:27             ` Fiona Ebner [this message]
     [not found]   ` <409e12ad0b53d1b51c30717e6b9df3d370112df4.camel@groupe-cyllene.com>
2025-06-17  6:04     ` DERUMIER, Alexandre via pve-devel
2025-06-17  7:35       ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 16/22] print drive device: explicitly set write-cache starting with machine version 10.0 Fiona Ebner
2025-06-13 10:28   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-17  7:47     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 17/22] print drive device: set {r, w}error front-end properties " Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 18/22] print drive device: don't reference any drive for 'none' " Fiona Ebner
2025-06-13 11:14   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-17  7:54     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 19/22] drive: create a throttle group for each drive " Fiona Ebner
2025-06-13 11:23   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-17  7:58     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 20/22] blockdev: add helpers to generate blockdev commandline Fiona Ebner
2025-06-13 11:35   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-17  9:37     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-17  9:58       ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-16 11:07   ` DERUMIER, Alexandre via pve-devel
2025-06-17 10:02     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [RFC qemu-server 21/22] blockdev: add support for NBD paths Fiona Ebner
2025-06-16 10:46   ` DERUMIER, Alexandre via pve-devel
2025-06-17 10:11     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [RFC qemu-server 22/22] command line: switch to blockdev starting with machine version 10.0 Fiona Ebner
2025-06-16 10:40   ` DERUMIER, Alexandre via pve-devel
2025-06-18 11:39     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-18 12:04       ` DERUMIER, Alexandre via pve-devel
2025-06-16  6:22 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH-SERIES qemu-server 00/22] preparation for switch to blockdev DERUMIER, Alexandre via pve-devel
2025-06-16  8:44   ` Fiona Ebner

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