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From: Fabian Ebner <f.ebner@proxmox.com>
To: "Thomas Lamprecht" <t.lamprecht@proxmox.com>,
	"Proxmox VE development discussion" <pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com>,
	"Fabian Grünbichler" <f.gruenbichler@proxmox.com>
Subject: Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH guest-common 1/1] vzdump: schema: add 'notes' and 'protected' properties
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2022 08:57:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dbd1e289-0ed0-02a7-53c7-c6de6550750a@proxmox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3fc10567-ee00-5c5c-3879-131327d1a5ab@proxmox.com>

Am 16.03.22 um 19:25 schrieb Thomas Lamprecht:
> On 16.03.22 12:04, Fabian Ebner wrote:
>> Am 16.12.21 um 13:12 schrieb Fabian Ebner:
>>
>> Fabian G.:
>> we could offer something like a simple template system that allows
>> substitution of certain variables (like name, or source node
>> hostname/clustername, ..). or just a boolean switch for setting VM/CT
>> $HOSTNAME from $CLUSTER/$NODENAME (or an enum, with
>> [job-comment,hostname,long,none] where long is that, and hostname is
>> just the guest hostname, and job-comment is the comment of the vzdump
>> job if one is set)
>>
>> Me:
>> The template variant would be the most flexible one and would avoid the
>> need for a second vzdump option besides --notes. Ideally, support for it
>> would be there from the beginning though, as otherwise it will stop
>> working for a user wanting to literally set $HOSTNAME when we add it ;)
>> The downside is that it doesn't match the volume-level --notes option,
>> but I don't think that should be a big deal.
>>
>> Fabian G.:
>> well it could just be called notes-template for vzdump to disambiguate?
> 
> 
> fwiw, I believe I commented that approach in the internal chat a while ago,
> but as its search functions are abysmal I don't find it anymore.
> 
> IIRC, just extend what we have now and allow a fixed set of {VARS} (vmid,
> guest name, host name, job-id, ..?).

I might be misunderstanding, but we don't have anything right now,
because this patch would be the one introducing the option?

> 
> While extending one has a slight chance of changing an existing setup I find
> this very unlikely in this specific case, as we had no such feature whatsoever
> and it makes not sense in any practical example to use such special strings
> for a backup comment.

Yes, I'd simply document the list of currently valid variables, and that
it might be extended in the future.

> 
> That said, if one can whip up another reason besides backward compat for
> having a separate flag to turn this on/off then feel free to comment.
> 
> I mean, for the backup jobs itself it could have some value to differ
> between the comment about the job itself and a comment template for the
> resulting backups.

Yes, I think it'd be better to not mix the job's comment (which is part
of the generic job properties) and the vzdump-specific notes{-template}
which this patch (or rather a future version of it) will introduce.




  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-17  7:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-16 12:12 [pve-devel] [PATCH-SERIES storage/manager/guest-common/docs] improvements for protected backups Fabian Ebner
2021-12-16 12:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH storage 1/2] list volumes: also return backup type for backups Fabian Ebner
2022-03-16 16:42   ` [pve-devel] applied: " Thomas Lamprecht
2021-12-16 12:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH storage 2/2] plugins: allow limiting the number of protected backups per guest Fabian Ebner
2022-03-16 16:42   ` Thomas Lamprecht
2022-03-17  8:03     ` Fabian Ebner
2022-03-17  8:11       ` Thomas Lamprecht
2021-12-16 12:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH manager 1/6] vzdump: backup file list: drop unused parameter Fabian Ebner
2021-12-16 12:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH manager 2/6] vzdump: backup limit: only count unprotected backups Fabian Ebner
2021-12-16 12:12 ` [pve-devel] [RFC manager 3/6] ui: storage edit: retention: add max-protected-backups setting Fabian Ebner
2021-12-16 12:12 ` [pve-devel] [RFC manager 4/6] ui: storage creation: retention: dynamically adapt max-protected-backups Fabian Ebner
2021-12-16 12:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH docs 1/2] storage: switch to prune-backups in examples Fabian Ebner
2021-12-16 12:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH docs 2/2] vzdump/storage: mention protected backups limit and give an example Fabian Ebner
2021-12-16 12:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH guest-common 1/1] vzdump: schema: add 'notes' and 'protected' properties Fabian Ebner
2022-03-16 11:04   ` Fabian Ebner
2022-03-16 18:25     ` Thomas Lamprecht
2022-03-17  7:57       ` Fabian Ebner [this message]
2022-03-17  8:07         ` Thomas Lamprecht
2022-03-17  8:18           ` Fabian Ebner
2022-03-17  8:20             ` Thomas Lamprecht
2021-12-16 12:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH manager 5/6] vzdump: support setting protected status and notes Fabian Ebner
2021-12-16 12:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH manager 6/6] ui: backup: allow setting protected and notes for manual backup Fabian Ebner
2021-12-20 10:31 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH-SERIES storage/manager/guest-common/docs] improvements for protected backups Dominik Csapak
2021-12-21 15:11   ` Thomas Lamprecht
2021-12-22  7:02     ` Dominik Csapak
2022-01-03  9:12       ` Fabian Ebner
2022-03-10  7:46 ` Fabian Ebner

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