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* [pve-devel] [PATCH docs] vzdump: fleecing: rephrase manual vzdump example
@ 2024-07-11 11:11 Aaron Lauterer
  2024-07-11 11:23 ` Fiona Ebner
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: Aaron Lauterer @ 2024-07-11 11:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: f.ebner, pve-devel

Signed-off-by: Aaron Lauterer <a.lauterer@proxmox.com>
---
@fiona please let me know if this works and doesn't introduce wrong
infos.
I think this way the sentence represents better what is happening, as
it is not enabling it, but running that particular backup with fleecing.

I am also thinking of placing the actual command of this and the now
applied change detection mode into a code block instead of having them
inline.

 vzdump.adoc | 10 +++++-----
 1 file changed, 5 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)

diff --git a/vzdump.adoc b/vzdump.adoc
index 415742e..10dff9e 100644
--- a/vzdump.adoc
+++ b/vzdump.adoc
@@ -149,11 +149,11 @@ With backup fleecing, such old data is cached in a fleecing image rather than
 sent directly to the backup target. This can help guest IO performance and even
 prevent hangs in certain scenarios, at the cost of requiring more storage space.
 
-Use e.g. `vzdump 123 --fleecing enabled=1,storage=local-lvm` to enable backup
-fleecing, with fleecing images created on the storage `local-lvm`. As always,
-you can set the option for specific backup jobs, or as a node-wide fallback via
-the xref:vzdump_configuration[configuration options]. In the UI, fleecing can be
-configured in the 'Advanced' tab when editing a backup job.
+To manually run a backup of guest `123` with fleecing images created on the
+storage `local-lvm`, run `vzdump 123 --fleecing enabled=1,storage=local-lvm`. As
+always, you can set the option for specific backup jobs, or as a node-wide
+fallback via the xref:vzdump_configuration[configuration options]. In the UI,
+ fleecing can be configured in the 'Advanced' tab when editing a backup job.
 
 The fleecing storage should be a fast local storage, with thin provisioning and
 discard support. Examples are LVM-thin, RBD, ZFS with `sparse 1` in the storage
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* Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH docs] vzdump: fleecing: rephrase manual vzdump example
  2024-07-11 11:11 [pve-devel] [PATCH docs] vzdump: fleecing: rephrase manual vzdump example Aaron Lauterer
@ 2024-07-11 11:23 ` Fiona Ebner
  2024-07-11 11:30   ` Aaron Lauterer
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: Fiona Ebner @ 2024-07-11 11:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Aaron Lauterer, pve-devel

Am 11.07.24 um 13:11 schrieb Aaron Lauterer:
> Signed-off-by: Aaron Lauterer <a.lauterer@proxmox.com>
> ---
> @fiona please let me know if this works and doesn't introduce wrong
> infos.
> I think this way the sentence represents better what is happening, as
> it is not enabling it, but running that particular backup with fleecing.
> 
> I am also thinking of placing the actual command of this and the now
> applied change detection mode into a code block instead of having them
> inline.
> 

Fine by me :)

>  vzdump.adoc | 10 +++++-----
>  1 file changed, 5 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/vzdump.adoc b/vzdump.adoc
> index 415742e..10dff9e 100644
> --- a/vzdump.adoc
> +++ b/vzdump.adoc
> @@ -149,11 +149,11 @@ With backup fleecing, such old data is cached in a fleecing image rather than
>  sent directly to the backup target. This can help guest IO performance and even
>  prevent hangs in certain scenarios, at the cost of requiring more storage space.
>  
> -Use e.g. `vzdump 123 --fleecing enabled=1,storage=local-lvm` to enable backup
> -fleecing, with fleecing images created on the storage `local-lvm`. As always,
> -you can set the option for specific backup jobs, or as a node-wide fallback via
> -the xref:vzdump_configuration[configuration options]. In the UI, fleecing can be
> -configured in the 'Advanced' tab when editing a backup job.
> +To manually run a backup of guest `123` with fleecing images created on the

Fleecing is only supported for VMs, so I don't like the use of 'guest'
here, let's use 'VM' instead.

> +storage `local-lvm`, run `vzdump 123 --fleecing enabled=1,storage=local-lvm`. As

The duplicate 'run' in the sentence can be fine, but maybe having the
first 'run' be 'start' instead reads slightly nicer?

> +always, you can set the option for specific backup jobs, or as a node-wide
> +fallback via the xref:vzdump_configuration[configuration options]. In the UI,
> + fleecing can be configured in the 'Advanced' tab when editing a backup job.
>  
>  The fleecing storage should be a fast local storage, with thin provisioning and
>  discard support. Examples are LVM-thin, RBD, ZFS with `sparse 1` in the storage


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* Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH docs] vzdump: fleecing: rephrase manual vzdump example
  2024-07-11 11:23 ` Fiona Ebner
@ 2024-07-11 11:30   ` Aaron Lauterer
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: Aaron Lauterer @ 2024-07-11 11:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fiona Ebner, pve-devel



On  2024-07-11  13:23, Fiona Ebner wrote:
> Am 11.07.24 um 13:11 schrieb Aaron Lauterer:
>> Signed-off-by: Aaron Lauterer <a.lauterer@proxmox.com>
>> ---
>> @fiona please let me know if this works and doesn't introduce wrong
>> infos.
>> I think this way the sentence represents better what is happening, as
>> it is not enabling it, but running that particular backup with fleecing.
>>
>> I am also thinking of placing the actual command of this and the now
>> applied change detection mode into a code block instead of having them
>> inline.
>>
> 
> Fine by me :)
> 
>>   vzdump.adoc | 10 +++++-----
>>   1 file changed, 5 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/vzdump.adoc b/vzdump.adoc
>> index 415742e..10dff9e 100644
>> --- a/vzdump.adoc
>> +++ b/vzdump.adoc
>> @@ -149,11 +149,11 @@ With backup fleecing, such old data is cached in a fleecing image rather than
>>   sent directly to the backup target. This can help guest IO performance and even
>>   prevent hangs in certain scenarios, at the cost of requiring more storage space.
>>   
>> -Use e.g. `vzdump 123 --fleecing enabled=1,storage=local-lvm` to enable backup
>> -fleecing, with fleecing images created on the storage `local-lvm`. As always,
>> -you can set the option for specific backup jobs, or as a node-wide fallback via
>> -the xref:vzdump_configuration[configuration options]. In the UI, fleecing can be
>> -configured in the 'Advanced' tab when editing a backup job.
>> +To manually run a backup of guest `123` with fleecing images created on the
> 
> Fleecing is only supported for VMs, so I don't like the use of 'guest'
> here, let's use 'VM' instead.

good point, will change it to VM
> 
>> +storage `local-lvm`, run `vzdump 123 --fleecing enabled=1,storage=local-lvm`. As
> 
> The duplicate 'run' in the sentence can be fine, but maybe having the
> first 'run' be 'start' instead reads slightly nicer?

good catch :)

> 
>> +always, you can set the option for specific backup jobs, or as a node-wide
>> +fallback via the xref:vzdump_configuration[configuration options]. In the UI,
>> + fleecing can be configured in the 'Advanced' tab when editing a backup job.
>>   
>>   The fleecing storage should be a fast local storage, with thin provisioning and
>>   discard support. Examples are LVM-thin, RBD, ZFS with `sparse 1` in the storage


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