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From: Fiona Ebner <f.ebner@proxmox.com>
To: Proxmox VE development discussion <pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com>
Subject: Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 20/22] blockdev: add helpers to generate blockdev commandline
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 12:02:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a4d7b7ff-741e-4490-bc0b-e16408b6b29e@proxmox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.393.1750072060.395.pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com>

Am 16.06.25 um 13:07 schrieb DERUMIER, Alexandre via pve-devel:
>>> The 'snapshot' option, for QEMU's snapshot mode, i.e. writes are only
>>> temporary, is not yet supported.
> 
> from qemu manpage:
> 
> "
>        -snapshot
>               Write to temporary files instead of disk image files. In
> this case, the raw disk image you use is not written back. You can
> however force the write back by pressing C-a s (see the Disk Images
> chapter in the System Emulation Users Guide).
> 
>               WARNING:
>                  snapshot is incompatible with -blockdev (instead use
> qemu-img to manually create snapshot images to attach to your
> blockdev).  If you have mixed -blockdev and -drive declarations you can
> use the 'snapshot' property on your drive declarations instead of this
> global
>                  option.
> "
> 
> So, if we want to keep this option. (I never used it to be honest),

I've briefly talked with Fabian about this a while ago. Yes, we do want
to keep it and it will be useful for
https://bugzilla.proxmox.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5187#c3

> I think we should create a temporary qcow2 file at vm start and delete
> it at vm stop.

Yes, we need an overlay. Note that there already is a FIXME comment too ;)

>> +    # FIXME use overlay and new config option to define storage for temp write device
>> +    die "'snapshot' option is not yet supported for '-blockdev'\n" if $drive->{snapshot};


> I'm not sure of current behaviour when you use a block device ? 

Note that what you linked above is for the global '-snapshot' option,
not the drive one. It just doesn't apply to blockdevs AFAIU.

> how qemu known where to write a temp snapshot file ?

It just uses /var/tmp which of course is not ideal.

> maybe we could reuse state storage ? only with a temp qcow2 file ? or
> do we want to reuse snapshot feature of storage ?

We want to add a dedicated option to select a snapshot storage. There
could be a sensible default selection (depending on restrictions for the
overlay image).

> Also, I think that some features should be disable when it's used.
> (vm snapshots for example, maybe move disk,...)

Haven't looked into that, but would be pre-existing issues, so nothing
urgent. We just shouldn't break the feature if not necessary. If we
really don't get around to support it in time for PVE 9 we could also
initially note it as a breaking change or fallback to -drive.


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  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-17 10:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-12 14:02 [pve-devel] [PATCH-SERIES qemu-server 00/22] preparation for switch to blockdev Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 01/22] drive: code cleanup: drop unused $vmid parameter from get_path_and_format() Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 02/22] cfg2cmd: require at least QEMU binary version 6.0 Fiona Ebner
2025-06-13  9:18   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-16  8:47     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 03/22] drive: parse: use hash argument for optional parameters Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 04/22] drive: parse drive: support parsing with additional properties Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 05/22] restore: parse drive " Fiona Ebner
2025-06-13  9:30   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-16  8:51     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 06/22] drive: remove geometry options gone since QEMU 3.1 Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 07/22] clone disk: io uring check: fix call to determine cache direct Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 08/22] drive: move storage_allows_io_uring_default() and drive_uses_cache_direct() helpers to drive module Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 09/22] drive: introduce aio_cmdline_option() helper Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 10/22] drive: introduce detect_zeroes_cmdline_option() helper Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 11/22] introduce StateFile module for state file related helpers Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 12/22] vm start: move state file handling to dedicated module Fiona Ebner
2025-06-13 10:00   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-16 10:34     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-16 10:54       ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-16 10:57         ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 13/22] vm start: move config_to_command() call further down Fiona Ebner
2025-06-13 10:05   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-16 10:54     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 14/22] vm start/commandline: also clean up pci reservation when config_to_command() fails Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 15/22] vm start/commandline: activate volumes before config_to_command() Fiona Ebner
2025-06-13 10:16   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-17  7:46     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-13 10:25   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-16 11:31   ` DERUMIER, Alexandre via pve-devel
2025-06-16 11:51     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-16 12:46       ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-16 12:57         ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-16 13:15           ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-16 13:27             ` Fiona Ebner
     [not found]   ` <409e12ad0b53d1b51c30717e6b9df3d370112df4.camel@groupe-cyllene.com>
2025-06-17  6:04     ` DERUMIER, Alexandre via pve-devel
2025-06-17  7:35       ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 16/22] print drive device: explicitly set write-cache starting with machine version 10.0 Fiona Ebner
2025-06-13 10:28   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-17  7:47     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 17/22] print drive device: set {r, w}error front-end properties " Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 18/22] print drive device: don't reference any drive for 'none' " Fiona Ebner
2025-06-13 11:14   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-17  7:54     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 19/22] drive: create a throttle group for each drive " Fiona Ebner
2025-06-13 11:23   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-17  7:58     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server 20/22] blockdev: add helpers to generate blockdev commandline Fiona Ebner
2025-06-13 11:35   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-17  9:37     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-17  9:58       ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-06-16 11:07   ` DERUMIER, Alexandre via pve-devel
2025-06-17 10:02     ` Fiona Ebner [this message]
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [RFC qemu-server 21/22] blockdev: add support for NBD paths Fiona Ebner
2025-06-16 10:46   ` DERUMIER, Alexandre via pve-devel
2025-06-17 10:11     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-12 14:02 ` [pve-devel] [RFC qemu-server 22/22] command line: switch to blockdev starting with machine version 10.0 Fiona Ebner
2025-06-16 10:40   ` DERUMIER, Alexandre via pve-devel
2025-06-18 11:39     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-06-18 12:04       ` DERUMIER, Alexandre via pve-devel
2025-06-16  6:22 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH-SERIES qemu-server 00/22] preparation for switch to blockdev DERUMIER, Alexandre via pve-devel
2025-06-16  8:44   ` Fiona Ebner

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