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From: "DERUMIER, Alexandre" <Alexandre.DERUMIER@groupe-cyllene.com>
To: pve-devel <pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com>
Subject: [pve-devel] qemu 7.0 : fleecing backup (aka: local temp write cache"
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 15:58:26 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8e03a831-a1fe-73f0-c720-9a0b0f8d8b48@groupe-cyllene.com> (raw)

Hi,

Currently, proxmox backup are using copy-before-write to have snapshot 
backup.

This works great until you have a slow  or remote storage with higher 
latencies than the vm storage.

This can slowdown a lot the vm is a lot of writes occur when backup is 
running. (or even can hang the vm if backup storage goes down during the 
backup)


qemu backup support since 1-2 years some kind of local write cache, 
called "fleecing".

When backup is running, if a block is not yet backuped, it's going to a 
temp local disk image.

Some improvements have been made in qemu 7.0, previously only qcow2 was 
allowed for the temp disk, now it's working with any disk

https://github.com/qemu/qemu/commit/af5bcd775f3115e4c1b7715920a67b31b119de30


Could it be possible to implement same king of cache for proxmox backup ?

I think qemu implementation is a simple block filter (It's even possible 
to expose a virtual snasphot), so maybe it could be easy to implement it ?


This is really a blocker for me,I can't use pbs because I'm using nvme 
is production, and a 7200k hdd backup in a remote 200km site with 5ms 
latency.

If I could use temp nvme cache on the hypervisor, it could be wonderfull :)


I had opened a bugzilla some week ago with same kind of local cache idea 
(didn't known about qemu fleecing at this time, seem the way to go)

https://bugzilla.proxmox.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4136




             reply	other threads:[~2022-07-31 15:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-31 15:58 DERUMIER, Alexandre [this message]
2022-07-31 16:19 Dietmar Maurer
2022-07-31 16:49 ` DERUMIER, Alexandre
2022-07-31 17:47   ` Laurent GUERBY
2022-07-31 18:24     ` DERUMIER, Alexandre
2022-08-01  8:10   ` DERUMIER, Alexandre
2022-08-01  8:31 Dietmar Maurer
2022-08-01 14:36 ` DERUMIER, Alexandre

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