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From: Stefan Lendl <s.lendl@proxmox.com>
To: pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com
Subject: Re: [pve-devel] [WIP v2 cluster/network/manager/qemu-server/container 00/10] Add support for DHCP servers to SDN
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:40:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87v8axbjh1.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231017135507.2220948-1-s.hanreich@proxmox.com>


I am currently working on the SDN feature.  This is an initial review of
the patch series and I am trying to make a strong case against ephemeral
DHCP IP reservation.

The current state of the patch series invokes the IPAM on every VM/CT
start/stop to add or remove the IP from the IPAM.
This triggers the dnsmasq config generation on the specific host with
only the MAC/IP mapping of that particular host.

From reading the discussion of the v1 patch series I understand this
approach tries to implement the ephemeral IP reservation strategy. From
off-list conversations with Stefan Hanreich, I agree that having
ephemeral IP reservation coordinated by the IPAM requires us to
re-implement DHCP functionality in the IPAM and heavily rely on syncing
between the different services.

To maintain reliable sync we need to hook into many different places
where the IPAM need to be queried.  Any issues with the implementation
may lead to IPAM and DHCP local config state running out of sync causing
network issues duplicate multiple IPs.

Furthermore, every interaction with the IPAM requires a cluster-wide
lock on the IPAM. Having a central cluster-wide lock on every VM
start/stop/migrate will significantly limit parallel operations.  Event
starting two VMs in parallel will be limited by this central lock. At
boot trying to start many VMs (ideally as much in parallel as possible)
is limited by the central IPAM lock even further.

I argue that we shall not support ephemeral IPs altogether.
The alternative is to make all IPAM reservations persistent.

Using persistent IPs only reduces the interactions of VM/CTs with the
IPAM to a minimum of NIC joining a subnet and NIC leaving a subnet. I am
deliberately not referring to VMs because a VM may be part of multiple
VNets or even multiple times in the same VNet (regardless if that is
sensible).

Cases the IPAM needs to be involved:

- NIC with DHCP enabled VNet is added to VM config
- NIC with DHCP enabled VNet is removed from VM config
- NIC is assigned to another Bridge
  can be treated as individual leave + join events

Cases that are explicitly not covered but may be added if desired:

- Manually assign an IP address on a NIC
  will not be automatically visible in the IPAM
- Manually change the MAC on a NIC
  don't do that > you are on your own.
  Not handled > change in IPAM manually

Once an IP is reserved via IPAM, the dnsmasq config can be generated
stateless and idempotent from the pve IPAM and is identical on all nodes
regardless if a VM/CT actually resides on that node or is running or
stopped.  This is especially useful for VM migration because the IP
stays consistent without spacial considering.

Snapshot/revert, backup/restore, suspend/hibernate/resume cases are
automatically covered because the IP will already be reserved for that
MAC.

If the admin wants to change, the IP of a VM this can be done via the
IPAM API/UI which will have to be implemented separately.

A limitation of this approach vs dynamic IP reservation is that the IP
range on the subnet needs to be large enough to hold all IPs of all,
even stopped, VMs in that subnet. This is in contrast to default DHCP
functionality where only the number of actively running VMs is limited.
It should be enough to mention this in the docs.

I will further review the code an try to implement the aforementioned
approach.

Best regards,
Stefan Lendl

Stefan Hanreich <s.hanreich@proxmox.com> writes:

> This is a WIP patch series, since I will be gone for 3 weeks and wanted to
> share my current progress with the DHCP support for SDN.
>
> This patch series adds support for automatically deploying dnsmasq as a DHCP
> server to a simple SDN Zone.
>
> While certainly not 100% polished on some ends (looking at restarting systemd
> services in particular), the general idea behind the mechanism shows. I wanted
> to gather some feedback on how I approached designing the plugins and the
> config regeneration process before comitting to this design by creating an API
> and UI around it.
>
> You need to install dnsmasq (and disable it afterwards):
>
>   apt install dnsmasq && systemctl disable --now dnsmasq
>
>
> You can use the following example configuration for deploying a DHCP server in
> a SDN subnet:
>
> /etc/pve/sdn/dhcp.cfg:
>
>   dnsmasq: nat
>
>
> /etc/pve/sdn/zones.cfg:
>
>   simple: DHCPNAT
>           ipam pve
>
>
> /etc/pve/sdn/vnets.cfg:
>
>   vnet: dhcpnat
>           zone DHCPNAT
>
>
> /etc/pve/sdn/subnets.cfg:
>
>   subnet: DHCPNAT-10.1.0.0-16
>           vnet dhcpnat
>           dhcp-dns-server 10.1.0.1
>           dhcp-range server=nat,start-address=10.1.0.100,end-address=10.1.0.200
>           gateway 10.1.0.1
>           snat 1
>
>
> Then apply the SDN configuration:
>
>   pvesh set /cluster/sdn
>
> You need to apply the SDN configuration once after adding the dhcp-range lines
> to the configuration, since the running configuration is used for managing
> DHCP. It will not work otherwise!
>
> For testing it can be helpful to monitor the following files (e.g. with watch)
> to find out what is happening
>   * /etc/dnsmasq.d/<dhcp_id>/ethers (on each node)
>   * /etc/pve/priv/ipam.db
>
> Changes from v1 -> v2:
>   * added hooks for handling DHCP when starting / stopping / .. VMs and CTs
>   * Get an IP from IPAM and register that IP in the DHCP server
>     (pve only for now)
>   * remove lease-time, since it is now infinite and managed by the VM lifecycle
>   * add hooks for setting & deleting DHCP mappings to DHCP plugins
>   * modified interface of the abstract class to reflect new requirements
>   * added helpers in existing SDN classes
>   * simplified DHCP configuration settings
>
>
>
> pve-cluster:
>
> Stefan Hanreich (1):
>   cluster files: add dhcp.cfg
>
>  src/PVE/Cluster.pm  | 1 +
>  src/pmxcfs/status.c | 1 +
>  2 files changed, 2 insertions(+)
>
>
> pve-network:
>
> Stefan Hanreich (6):
>   subnets: vnets: preparations for DHCP plugins
>   dhcp: add abstract class for DHCP plugins
>   dhcp: subnet: add DHCP options to subnet configuration
>   dhcp: add DHCP plugin for dnsmasq
>   ipam: Add helper methods for DHCP to PVE IPAM
>   dhcp: regenerate config for DHCP servers on reload
>
>  debian/control                         |   1 +
>  src/PVE/Network/SDN.pm                 |  11 +-
>  src/PVE/Network/SDN/Dhcp.pm            | 192 +++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  src/PVE/Network/SDN/Dhcp/Dnsmasq.pm    | 186 ++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  src/PVE/Network/SDN/Dhcp/Makefile      |   8 ++
>  src/PVE/Network/SDN/Dhcp/Plugin.pm     |  83 +++++++++++
>  src/PVE/Network/SDN/Ipams/PVEPlugin.pm |  64 +++++++++
>  src/PVE/Network/SDN/Makefile           |   3 +-
>  src/PVE/Network/SDN/SubnetPlugin.pm    |  32 +++++
>  src/PVE/Network/SDN/Subnets.pm         |  43 ++++--
>  src/PVE/Network/SDN/Vnets.pm           |  27 ++--
>  11 files changed, 622 insertions(+), 28 deletions(-)
>  create mode 100644 src/PVE/Network/SDN/Dhcp.pm
>  create mode 100644 src/PVE/Network/SDN/Dhcp/Dnsmasq.pm
>  create mode 100644 src/PVE/Network/SDN/Dhcp/Makefile
>  create mode 100644 src/PVE/Network/SDN/Dhcp/Plugin.pm
>
>
> pve-manager:
>
> Stefan Hanreich (1):
>   sdn: regenerate DHCP config on reload
>
>  PVE/API2/Network.pm | 1 +
>  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)
>
>
> qemu-server:
>
> Stefan Hanreich (1):
>   sdn: dhcp: add DHCP setup to vm-network-scripts
>
>  PVE/QemuServer.pm                 | 14 ++++++++++++++
>  vm-network-scripts/pve-bridge     |  3 +++
>  vm-network-scripts/pve-bridgedown | 19 +++++++++++++++++++
>  3 files changed, 36 insertions(+)
>
>
> pve-container:
>
> Stefan Hanreich (1):
>   sdn: dhcp: setup DHCP mappings in LXC hooks
>
>  src/PVE/LXC.pm            | 10 ++++++++++
>  src/lxc-pve-poststop-hook |  1 +
>  src/lxc-pve-prestart-hook |  9 +++++++++
>  3 files changed, 20 insertions(+)
>
>
> Summary over all repositories:
>   20 files changed, 681 insertions(+), 28 deletions(-)
>
> --
> murpp v0.4.0
>
>
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-10-23 12:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-17 13:54 Stefan Hanreich
2023-10-17 13:54 ` [pve-devel] [WIP v2 pve-cluster 01/10] cluster files: add dhcp.cfg Stefan Hanreich
2023-10-17 13:54 ` [pve-devel] [WIP v2 pve-network 02/10] subnets: vnets: preparations for DHCP plugins Stefan Hanreich
2023-10-17 13:55 ` [pve-devel] [WIP v2 pve-network 03/10] dhcp: add abstract class " Stefan Hanreich
2023-10-17 13:55 ` [pve-devel] [WIP v2 pve-network 04/10] dhcp: subnet: add DHCP options to subnet configuration Stefan Hanreich
2023-10-17 13:55 ` [pve-devel] [WIP v2 pve-network 05/10] dhcp: add DHCP plugin for dnsmasq Stefan Hanreich
2023-10-18 10:13   ` DERUMIER, Alexandre
2023-11-08 17:18   ` DERUMIER, Alexandre
2023-11-09  8:45     ` Stefan Hanreich
2023-10-17 13:55 ` [pve-devel] [WIP v2 pve-network 06/10] ipam: Add helper methods for DHCP to PVE IPAM Stefan Hanreich
2023-10-27 11:51   ` Stefan Lendl
2023-10-17 13:55 ` [pve-devel] [WIP v2 pve-network 07/10] dhcp: regenerate config for DHCP servers on reload Stefan Hanreich
2023-10-17 13:55 ` [pve-devel] [WIP v2 pve-manager 08/10] sdn: regenerate DHCP config " Stefan Hanreich
2023-10-17 13:55 ` [pve-devel] [WIP v2 qemu-server 09/10] sdn: dhcp: add DHCP setup to vm-network-scripts Stefan Hanreich
2023-10-17 13:55 ` [pve-devel] [WIP v2 pve-container 10/10] sdn: dhcp: setup DHCP mappings in LXC hooks Stefan Hanreich
2023-10-17 14:48 ` [pve-devel] [WIP v2 cluster/network/manager/qemu-server/container 00/10] Add support for DHCP servers to SDN DERUMIER, Alexandre
2023-10-17 16:05   ` Stefan Hanreich
2023-10-17 21:00     ` DERUMIER, Alexandre
2023-10-17 16:04 ` Stefan Hanreich
2023-10-18  9:59   ` DERUMIER, Alexandre
2023-10-23 12:40 ` Stefan Lendl [this message]
2023-10-27  7:39   ` Thomas Lamprecht
2023-10-27 12:26     ` Stefan Lendl
2023-10-27 12:36     ` DERUMIER, Alexandre
2023-10-27 11:19   ` [pve-devel] [RFC SDN DHCP] Add and Remove DHCP mappings on vNIC add/remove Stefan Lendl
2023-10-27 11:20   ` Stefan Lendl
2023-10-27 11:20     ` [pve-devel] [RFC pve-network 1/3] dhcp add ip returns IP if already present for MAC Stefan Lendl
2023-10-27 11:20     ` [pve-devel] [RFC pve-network 2/3] always generate dnsmasq ethers file Stefan Lendl
2023-10-27 11:20     ` [pve-devel] [RFC pve-network 3/3] touch the ethers file when creating the dnsmasq config Stefan Lendl
2023-10-27 11:20     ` [pve-devel] [RFC pve-network] do not remove DHCP mapping on stop Stefan Lendl
2023-11-08 14:32       ` DERUMIER, Alexandre
2023-11-08 14:38         ` Stefan Hanreich
2023-11-08 15:41           ` DERUMIER, Alexandre
2023-10-27 11:20     ` [pve-devel] [RFC pve-network 4/5] do not remove DHCP mapping on VM stop Stefan Lendl
2023-10-27 11:20     ` [pve-devel] [RFC pve-network 5/5] DHCP mappings on vNIC add/remove Stefan Lendl
2023-10-27 11:29   ` [pve-devel] [RFC SDN DHCP] Add and Remove " Stefan Lendl
2023-10-27 11:29     ` [pve-devel] [RFC pve-network 1/6] dhcp add ip returns IP if already present for MAC Stefan Lendl
2023-10-27 11:29     ` [pve-devel] [RFC pve-network 2/6] always generate dnsmasq ethers file Stefan Lendl
2023-11-08 16:44       ` DERUMIER, Alexandre
2023-10-27 11:29     ` [pve-devel] [RFC pve-network 3/6] touch the ethers file when creating the dnsmasq config Stefan Lendl
2023-10-27 11:29     ` [pve-devel] [RFC pve-container 4/6] do not remove DHCP mapping on stop Stefan Lendl
2023-10-27 11:29     ` [pve-devel] [RFC qemu-server 5/6] do not remove DHCP mapping on VM stop Stefan Lendl
2023-10-27 11:30     ` [pve-devel] [RFC qemu-server 6/6] DHCP mappings on vNIC add/remove Stefan Lendl
2023-11-08 16:46       ` DERUMIER, Alexandre
2023-10-27 11:52     ` [pve-devel] [RFC SDN DHCP] Add and Remove " Thomas Lamprecht
2023-10-27 11:54       ` Stefan Lendl
2023-10-27 11:59         ` Thomas Lamprecht
2023-10-27 11:57       ` Thomas Lamprecht
2023-10-27 12:53   ` [pve-devel] [WIP v2 cluster/network/manager/qemu-server/container 00/10] Add support for DHCP servers to SDN Stefan Lendl
2023-10-27 13:37     ` DERUMIER, Alexandre
2023-10-23 10:27 Stefan Lendl
2023-10-23 12:52 ` Stefan Lendl
2023-10-26 12:49 ` DERUMIER, Alexandre
2023-10-26 12:53 ` DERUMIER, Alexandre

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