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From: Fiona Ebner <f.ebner@proxmox.com>
To: "Daniel Kral" <d.kral@proxmox.com>,
	"Proxmox VE development discussion" <pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com>,
	"Fabian Grünbichler" <f.gruenbichler@proxmox.com>
Subject: Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 09/15] manager: apply colocation rules when selecting service nodes
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 11:22:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6f50fe21-7b15-4766-a21d-56e7b4168d7a@proxmox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ce9a801d-c28b-4480-a402-488448836a1f@proxmox.com>

Am 29.04.25 um 11:07 schrieb Daniel Kral:
> On 4/28/25 14:46, Fiona Ebner wrote:
>> I feel like we should trigger auto-migration for strict colocation
>> rules. I.e. apply the rules earlier in select_service_node(), before the
>> "keep current node" early return.
>>
>> With nofailback=0, we do not keep the current node when node priorities
>> change for HA groups or the service's group changes, so it feels
>> consistent to do the same for colocation rules. We'll need to be careful
>> not to get a "both services now migrate towards each other" switch-up
>> scenario of course.
> 
> What scenario would that be? Or do you mean just disallowing migrating
> services contradicting the HA (colocation) rules?

I just meant we need to be careful when implementing if we want to apply
new rules directly/honor them while services are running. E.g. say a new
rule vm:101<->vm:102 is introduced, with 101 on node A and 102 on node
B. Then the HA manager should only issue a migration command 101 to B or
102 to A, but not both of course.

>> We also don't hinder migrating against group priorities, where, with
>> nofailback=0, it will migrate straight back again. This can be improved
>> of course, but nothing new, so I'd consider it orthogonal to the
>> colocation implementation here.
> 
> Yes, it would improve UX to add migration blockers for these in the
> future as the info could be exposed there without putting too much
> dependency between pve-manager and pve-ha-manager.
> 
> I'll try to add the blockers for colocation rules for v1 or a follow-up.

Might be better as a follow-up/separate series, to not blow up the
series here too much.


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  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-29  9:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-25 15:12 [pve-devel] [RFC cluster/ha-manager 00/16] HA colocation rules Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH cluster 1/1] cfs: add 'ha/rules.cfg' to observed files Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 01/15] ignore output of fence config tests in tree Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 17:49   ` [pve-devel] applied: " Thomas Lamprecht
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 02/15] tools: add hash set helper subroutines Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 17:53   ` Thomas Lamprecht
2025-04-03 12:16     ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-04-11 11:24       ` Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 03/15] usage: add get_service_node and pin_service_node methods Daniel Kral
2025-04-24 12:29   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-25  7:39     ` Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 04/15] add rules section config base plugin Daniel Kral
2025-04-24 13:03   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-25  8:29     ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-25  9:12       ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-25 13:30         ` Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 05/15] rules: add colocation rule plugin Daniel Kral
2025-04-03 12:16   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-04-11 11:04     ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-25 14:06       ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-29  8:37         ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-29  9:15           ` Fiona Ebner
2025-05-07  8:41             ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-25 14:05   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-29  8:44     ` Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 06/15] config, env, hw: add rules read and parse methods Daniel Kral
2025-04-25 14:11   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 07/15] manager: read and update rules config Daniel Kral
2025-04-25 14:30   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-29  8:04     ` Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 08/15] manager: factor out prioritized nodes in select_service_node Daniel Kral
2025-04-28 13:03   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 09/15] manager: apply colocation rules when selecting service nodes Daniel Kral
2025-04-03 12:17   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-04-11 15:56     ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-28 12:46       ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-29  9:07         ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-29  9:22           ` Fiona Ebner [this message]
2025-04-28 12:26   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-28 14:33     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-29  9:39       ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-29  9:50     ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-30 11:09   ` Daniel Kral
2025-05-02  9:33     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-05-07  8:31       ` Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 10/15] sim: resources: add option to limit start and migrate tries to node Daniel Kral
2025-04-28 13:20   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 11/15] test: ha tester: add test cases for strict negative colocation rules Daniel Kral
2025-04-28 13:44   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 12/15] test: ha tester: add test cases for strict positive " Daniel Kral
2025-04-28 13:51   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-05-09 11:22     ` Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 13/15] test: ha tester: add test cases for loose " Daniel Kral
2025-04-28 14:44   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-05-09 11:20     ` Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 14/15] test: ha tester: add test cases in more complex scenarios Daniel Kral
2025-04-29  8:54   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-29  9:01   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 15/15] test: add test cases for rules config Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 16:47 ` [pve-devel] [RFC cluster/ha-manager 00/16] HA colocation rules Daniel Kral
2025-04-24 10:12   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-01  1:50 ` DERUMIER, Alexandre
2025-04-01  9:39   ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-01 11:05     ` DERUMIER, Alexandre via pve-devel
2025-04-03 12:26     ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-04-24 10:12     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-24 10:12 ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-25  8:36   ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-25 12:25     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-25 13:25       ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-25 13:58         ` Fiona Ebner

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