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From: Daniel Kral <d.kral@proxmox.com>
To: Proxmox VE development discussion <pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com>,
	Markus Frank <m.frank@proxmox.com>
Subject: Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH docs v14 3/12] add doc section for the shared filesystem virtio-fs
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 15:44:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44d0130c-165e-49f6-8466-20e6e4051d13@proxmox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250304115803.194820-4-m.frank@proxmox.com>

Some comments inline, with those addressed consider this as:

Reviewed-by: Daniel Kral <d.kral@proxmox.com>

On 3/4/25 12:57, Markus Frank wrote:
> Signed-off-by: Markus Frank <m.frank@proxmox.com>
> ---
> v14:
> * addressed formulation nits
> * added paragraph about expose-acl & expose-xattr
> 
>   qm.adoc | 99 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
>   1 file changed, 97 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/qm.adoc b/qm.adoc
> index 4bb8f2c..86b3877 100644
> --- a/qm.adoc
> +++ b/qm.adoc
> @@ -1202,6 +1202,100 @@ recommended to always use a limiter to avoid guests using too many host
>   resources. If desired, a value of '0' for `max_bytes` can be used to disable
>   all limits.
>   
> +[[qm_virtiofs]]
> +Virtio-fs
> +~~~~~~~~~
> +
> +Virtio-fs is a shared filesystem designed for virtual environments. It allows to
> +share a directory tree available on the host by mounting it within VMs. It does
> +not use the network stack and aims to offer similar performance and semantics as
> +the source filesystem.
> +
> +To use virtio-fs, the https://gitlab.com/virtio-fs/virtiofsd[virtiofsd] daemon
> +needs to run in the background. This happens automatically in {pve} when
> +starting a VM using a virtio-fs mount.
> +
> +Linux VMs with kernel >=5.4 support virtio-fs by default.

It should be mentioned that this does not mean that all features for 
virtiofs are available on all kernels and of course distributions can 
also unselect the driver in their configs.

E.g. exposing POSIX ACLs on Fedora 32 with an older kernel did not work 
until exposing them was disabled on the host.

> +
> +There is a guide available on how to utilize virtio-fs in Windows VMs.
> +https://github.com/virtio-win/kvm-guest-drivers-windows/wiki/Virtiofs:-Shared-file-system

style nit: the full url could rather be a hyperlink on e.g. "guide"

> +
> +Known Limitations
> +^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> +
> +* If virtiofsd crashes, its mount point will hang in the VM until the VM
> +is completely stopped.
> +* virtiofsd not responding may result in a hanging mount in the VM, similar to
> +an unreachable NFS.
> +* Memory hotplug does not work in combination with virtio-fs (also results in
> +hanging access).
> +* Memory related features such as live migration, snapshots, and hibernate are
> +not available with virtio-fs devices.
> +* Windows cannot understand ACLs in the context of virtio-fs. Therefore, do not
> +expose ACLs for Windows VMs, otherwise the virtio-fs device will not be
> +visible within the VM.
> +
> +Add Mapping for Shared Directories
> +^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> +
> +To add a mapping for a shared directory, you can use the API directly with
> +`pvesh` as described in the xref:resource_mapping[Resource Mapping] section:
> +
> +----
> +pvesh create /cluster/mapping/dir --id dir1 \
> +    --map node=node1,path=/path/to/share1 \
> +    --map node=node2,path=/path/to/share2,announce-submounts=1 \
> +----
> +
> +Set `announce-submounts` to `1` if multiple filesystems are mounted in a shared
> +directory. This tells the guest which directories are mount points to prevent
> +data loss/corruption. With `announce-submounts`, virtiofsd reports a different
> +device number for each submount it encounters. Without it, duplicates may be
> +created because inode IDs are only unique on a single filesystem.
> +
> +Add virtio-fs to a VM
> +^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> +
> +To share a directory using virtio-fs, add the parameter `virtiofs<N>` (N can be
> +anything between 0 and 9) to the VM config and use a directory ID (dirid) that
> +has been configured in the resource mapping. Additionally, you can set the
> +`cache` option to either `always`, `never`, or `auto` (default: `auto`),
> +depending on your requirements. How the different caching modes behave can be
> +read at https://lwn.net/Articles/774495/ under the "Caching Modes" section. To

such a shame that the RFC has a great description but none of that is 
put in the actual kernel documentation or at least on the virtiofs site 
itself ;).

nit: this could also be a hyperlink, e.g. "can be read [here under the 
"Caching Modes" section]"

on another thought, it would maybe even be nice if the caching mode 
description is incorporated here as it shouldn't change in the future. 
also doesn't confuse users about suddenly reading a RFC and the 
'shared/no_shared' option being listed which we do not expose.

> +enable writeback cache set `writeback` to `1`.
> +
> +Virtiofsd supports ACL and xattr passthrough (can be enabled with the
> +`expose-acl` and `expose-xattr` options), allowing the guest to access ACLs and
> +xattrs if the underlying host filesystem supports them, but they must also be
> +compatible with the guest filesystem (for example most Linux filesystems support
> +ACLs, while Windows filesystems do not).
> +
> +The `expose-acl` option automatically implies `expose-xattr`, that is, it makes
> +no difference if you set `expose-xattr` to `0` if `expose-acl` is set to `1`.
> +
> +If you want virtio-fs to honor the `O_DIRECT` flag, you can set the `direct-io`
> +parameter to `1` (default: `0`). This will degrade performance, but is useful if
> +applications do their own caching.
> +
> +----
> +qm set <vmid> -virtiofs0 dirid=<dirid>,cache=always,direct-io=1
> +qm set <vmid> -virtiofs1 <dirid>,cache=never,expose-xattr=1
> +qm set <vmid> -virtiofs2 <dirid>,expose-acl=1,writeback=1
> +----
> +
> +To mount virtio-fs in a guest VM with the Linux kernel virtio-fs driver, run the
> +following command inside the guest:
> +
> +----
> +mount -t virtiofs <mount tag> <mount point>
> +----
> +
> +The dirid associated with the path on the current node is also used as the mount
> +tag (name used to mount the device on the guest).

nit: <mount tag> in the example above could then just be just <dirid> 
for brevity imo.

> +
> +For more information on available virtiofsd parameters, see the
> +https://gitlab.com/virtio-fs/virtiofsd[GitLab virtiofsd project page].
> +
>   [[qm_bootorder]]
>   Device Boot Order
>   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> @@ -1885,8 +1979,9 @@ in the relevant tab in the `Resource Mappings` category, or on the cli with
>   
>   [thumbnail="screenshot/gui-datacenter-mapping-pci-edit.png"]
>   
> -Where `<type>` is the hardware type (currently either `pci` or `usb`) and
> -`<options>` are the device mappings and other configuration parameters.
> +Where `<type>` is the hardware type (currently either `pci`, `usb` or
> +xref:qm_virtiofs[dir]) and `<options>` are the device mappings and other
> +configuration parameters.
>   
>   Note that the options must include a map property with all identifying
>   properties of that hardware, so that it's possible to verify the hardware did



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-04-02 13:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-04 11:57 [pve-devel] [PATCH cluster/guest-common/docs/qemu-server/manager v14 0/12] virtiofs Markus Frank
2025-03-04 11:57 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH cluster v14 1/12] add mapping/dir.cfg for resource mapping Markus Frank
2025-03-04 11:57 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH guest-common v14 2/12] add dir mapping section config Markus Frank
2025-04-02 13:14   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-04-02 15:20     ` Markus Frank
2025-04-02 13:41   ` Daniel Kral
2025-03-04 11:57 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH docs v14 3/12] add doc section for the shared filesystem virtio-fs Markus Frank
2025-04-02 10:36   ` Laurențiu Leahu-Vlăducu
2025-04-02 13:13   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-04-02 13:44   ` Daniel Kral [this message]
2025-03-04 11:57 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server v14 4/12] control: add virtiofsd as runtime dependency for qemu-server Markus Frank
2025-03-04 11:57 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server v14 5/12] fix #1027: virtio-fs support Markus Frank
2025-04-02 13:13   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-03-04 11:57 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server v14 6/12] migration: check_local_resources for virtiofs Markus Frank
2025-04-02 13:13   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-03-04 11:57 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH qemu-server v14 7/12] disable snapshot (with RAM) and hibernate with virtio-fs devices Markus Frank
2025-03-04 11:57 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH manager v14 08/12] api: add resource map api endpoints for directories Markus Frank
2025-03-04 11:58 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH manager v14 09/12] ui: add edit window for dir mappings Markus Frank
2025-03-04 11:58 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH manager v14 10/12] ui: add resource mapping view for directories Markus Frank
2025-04-02 10:36   ` Laurențiu Leahu-Vlăducu
2025-04-02 13:42   ` Daniel Kral
2025-03-04 11:58 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH manager v14 11/12] ui: form: add selector for directory mappings Markus Frank
2025-03-04 11:58 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH manager v14 12/12] ui: add options to add virtio-fs to qemu config Markus Frank
2025-04-02 10:36   ` Laurențiu Leahu-Vlăducu
2025-04-02 14:06     ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-02 13:42   ` Daniel Kral
2025-03-18  9:14 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH cluster/guest-common/docs/qemu-server/manager v14 0/12] virtiofs Markus Frank
2025-04-02 10:36 ` Laurențiu Leahu-Vlăducu
2025-04-02 13:17 ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-04-02 13:45 ` Daniel Kral

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