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From: Fiona Ebner <f.ebner@proxmox.com>
To: "Fabian Grünbichler" <f.gruenbichler@proxmox.com>,
	"Erik Fastermann" <e.fastermann@proxmox.com>,
	pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com
Subject: Re: [RFC qemu-server 1/4] remote migrate: drop ineffective fingerprint auto-detection
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2026 12:17:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <071cd63f-8f16-4e59-af94-768ae2c6aa1e@proxmox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1785319378.5wn648ra0k.astroid@yuna.none>

Am 29.07.26 um 12:06 PM schrieb Fabian Grünbichler:
> On July 29, 2026 11:56 am, Fiona Ebner wrote:
>> Am 21.07.26 um 1:58 PM schrieb Erik Fastermann:
>>> When no fingerprint was supplied, the code fetched the remote node
>>> certificate and pinned its fingerprint for the migration tunnel. This
>>> has no functional effect and is removed.
>>>
>>> That fetch only succeeds for remotes trusted via the CA store, which
>>> is exactly the case where pinning is unnecessary: both the API client
>>> and the websocket tunnel fall back to CA verification on their own.
>>> For a self-signed remote the fetch itself fails verification, so no
>>> fingerprint is ever obtained.
>>
>> The websocket tunnel checks the pinned fingerprint against the one that
>> was supplied, so with the current code any weird scenario where the
>> fingerprint queried from the certificates API endpoint does not match
>> the one gotten later by the websocket tunnel connection is caught. If
>> you remove the pinning, such scenarios won't be caught anymore. Not sure
>> how important that is though.
>>
>> @Fabian what do you think?
> 
> Erik actually asked me about this before sending the RFC (@Erik - feel
> free to mention such things in the "notes" part of a patch).
> 
> I don't think it really buys us much, and AFAICT it breaks in the
> following case with a certificate trusted by the system:
> 
> - certificate info queried
> - cert rotated
> - websocket tunnel established -> wrong fingerprint
> 
> because the websocket tunnel will only check the fingerprint if one is
> provided.
> 
> so IMHO, this should be removed.

Ack, sounds good :)




  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-29 10:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-21 11:58 [RFC qemu-server 0/4] remote migrate: extract preconditions and add check endpoint Erik Fastermann
2026-07-21 11:58 ` [RFC qemu-server 1/4] remote migrate: drop ineffective fingerprint auto-detection Erik Fastermann
2026-07-29  9:56   ` Fiona Ebner
2026-07-29  9:59     ` Fiona Ebner
2026-07-29 10:02       ` Fiona Ebner
2026-07-29 10:07     ` Fabian Grünbichler
2026-07-29 10:17       ` Fiona Ebner [this message]
2026-07-21 11:58 ` [RFC qemu-server 2/4] remote migrate: collect preconditions as structured findings Erik Fastermann
2026-07-29  9:56   ` Fiona Ebner
2026-07-31 13:42     ` Erik Fastermann
2026-07-21 11:58 ` [RFC qemu-server 3/4] qm: remote-migrate: call API endpoint directly Erik Fastermann
2026-07-21 11:58 ` [RFC qemu-server 4/4] remote migrate: add precondition check endpoint Erik Fastermann
2026-07-29  9:56   ` Fiona Ebner
2026-07-31 13:43     ` Erik Fastermann
2026-07-29  9:56 ` [RFC qemu-server 0/4] remote migrate: extract preconditions and add " Fiona Ebner
2026-07-31 13:42   ` Erik Fastermann
2026-07-31 14:44     ` Daniel Kral

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