* [pmg-devel] [PATCH pmg-docs] pmg-mail-filter: clarify matching of Who objects
@ 2025-02-06 15:16 Friedrich Weber
2025-02-06 15:30 ` Stoiko Ivanov
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From: Friedrich Weber @ 2025-02-06 15:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pmg-devel
In particular, explain that Who objects match against Envelope From
and Envelope To, not the From: and To: mail headers. This is
occasionally a source of confusion in enterprise support.
Signed-off-by: Friedrich Weber <f.weber@proxmox.com>
---
pmg-mail-filter.adoc | 10 ++++++++++
1 file changed, 10 insertions(+)
diff --git a/pmg-mail-filter.adoc b/pmg-mail-filter.adoc
index 235f156..65d28b6 100644
--- a/pmg-mail-filter.adoc
+++ b/pmg-mail-filter.adoc
@@ -265,6 +265,16 @@ We have two important 'Who' objects called 'Blacklist' and
'Whitelist'. These are used in the default ruleset to globally block
or allow specific senders.
+Note that 'Who' objects match against the mail addresses given during the SMTP
+dialog:
+
+* 'Who' objects in the 'FROM' category match against the mail address given in
+ the `MAIL FROM` command (the Envelope From).
+* 'Who' objects in the 'TO' category match against the mail address given in
+ the `MAIL TO` command (the Envelope To).
+
+If you want to match against the `From:` or `To:` header fields of the mail,
+use a 'What' object with type 'Match Field' instead.
[[pmg_mailfilter_what]]
'What' objects
--
2.39.5
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* Re: [pmg-devel] [PATCH pmg-docs] pmg-mail-filter: clarify matching of Who objects
2025-02-06 15:16 [pmg-devel] [PATCH pmg-docs] pmg-mail-filter: clarify matching of Who objects Friedrich Weber
@ 2025-02-06 15:30 ` Stoiko Ivanov
2025-02-06 15:54 ` Friedrich Weber
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From: Stoiko Ivanov @ 2025-02-06 15:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Friedrich Weber; +Cc: pmg-devel
Thanks for addressing this!
On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 16:16:20 +0100
Friedrich Weber <f.weber@proxmox.com> wrote:
> In particular, explain that Who objects match against Envelope From
> and Envelope To, not the From: and To: mail headers. This is
> occasionally a source of confusion in enterprise support.
>
> Signed-off-by: Friedrich Weber <f.weber@proxmox.com>
> ---
> pmg-mail-filter.adoc | 10 ++++++++++
> 1 file changed, 10 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/pmg-mail-filter.adoc b/pmg-mail-filter.adoc
> index 235f156..65d28b6 100644
> --- a/pmg-mail-filter.adoc
> +++ b/pmg-mail-filter.adoc
> @@ -265,6 +265,16 @@ We have two important 'Who' objects called 'Blacklist' and
> 'Whitelist'. These are used in the default ruleset to globally block
> or allow specific senders.
>
> +Note that 'Who' objects match against the mail addresses given during the SMTP
> +dialog:
maybe also mention that this is the information you see in the
journal/logs by default?
> +
> +* 'Who' objects in the 'FROM' category match against the mail address given in
> + the `MAIL FROM` command (the Envelope From).
> +* 'Who' objects in the 'TO' category match against the mail address given in
> + the `MAIL TO` command (the Envelope To).
the smtp-verb is RCPT (`RCPT TO`)
> +
> +If you want to match against the `From:` or `To:` header fields of the mail,
> +use a 'What' object with type 'Match Field' instead.
>
> [[pmg_mailfilter_what]]
> 'What' objects
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* Re: [pmg-devel] [PATCH pmg-docs] pmg-mail-filter: clarify matching of Who objects
2025-02-06 15:30 ` Stoiko Ivanov
@ 2025-02-06 15:54 ` Friedrich Weber
2025-02-17 11:56 ` Friedrich Weber
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From: Friedrich Weber @ 2025-02-06 15:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stoiko Ivanov; +Cc: pmg-devel
Thanks for the quick review!
On 06/02/2025 16:30, Stoiko Ivanov wrote:
> [...]
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 16:16:20 +0100
> Friedrich Weber <f.weber@proxmox.com> wrote:
>
>> In particular, explain that Who objects match against Envelope From
>> and Envelope To, not the From: and To: mail headers. This is
>> occasionally a source of confusion in enterprise support.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Friedrich Weber <f.weber@proxmox.com>
>> ---
>> pmg-mail-filter.adoc | 10 ++++++++++
>> 1 file changed, 10 insertions(+)
>>
>> diff --git a/pmg-mail-filter.adoc b/pmg-mail-filter.adoc
>> index 235f156..65d28b6 100644
>> --- a/pmg-mail-filter.adoc
>> +++ b/pmg-mail-filter.adoc
>> @@ -265,6 +265,16 @@ We have two important 'Who' objects called 'Blacklist' and
>> 'Whitelist'. These are used in the default ruleset to globally block
>> or allow specific senders.
>>
>> +Note that 'Who' objects match against the mail addresses given during the SMTP
>> +dialog:
> maybe also mention that this is the information you see in the
> journal/logs by default?
Makes sense, will add!
>> +
>> +* 'Who' objects in the 'FROM' category match against the mail address given in
>> + the `MAIL FROM` command (the Envelope From).
>> +* 'Who' objects in the 'TO' category match against the mail address given in
>> + the `MAIL TO` command (the Envelope To).
> the smtp-verb is RCPT (`RCPT TO`)
Urgh, sorry about that, thanks for spotting it.
Will send a v2.
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* Re: [pmg-devel] [PATCH pmg-docs] pmg-mail-filter: clarify matching of Who objects
2025-02-06 15:54 ` Friedrich Weber
@ 2025-02-17 11:56 ` Friedrich Weber
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From: Friedrich Weber @ 2025-02-17 11:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pmg-devel
On 06/02/2025 16:54, Friedrich Weber wrote:
> Thanks for the quick review!
>
> On 06/02/2025 16:30, Stoiko Ivanov wrote:
>> [...]
>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 16:16:20 +0100
>> Friedrich Weber <f.weber@proxmox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In particular, explain that Who objects match against Envelope From
>>> and Envelope To, not the From: and To: mail headers. This is
>>> occasionally a source of confusion in enterprise support.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Friedrich Weber <f.weber@proxmox.com>
>>> ---
>>> pmg-mail-filter.adoc | 10 ++++++++++
>>> 1 file changed, 10 insertions(+)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/pmg-mail-filter.adoc b/pmg-mail-filter.adoc
>>> index 235f156..65d28b6 100644
>>> --- a/pmg-mail-filter.adoc
>>> +++ b/pmg-mail-filter.adoc
>>> @@ -265,6 +265,16 @@ We have two important 'Who' objects called 'Blacklist' and
>>> 'Whitelist'. These are used in the default ruleset to globally block
>>> or allow specific senders.
>>>
>>> +Note that 'Who' objects match against the mail addresses given during the SMTP
>>> +dialog:
>> maybe also mention that this is the information you see in the
>> journal/logs by default?
>
> Makes sense, will add!
>
>>> +
>>> +* 'Who' objects in the 'FROM' category match against the mail address given in
>>> + the `MAIL FROM` command (the Envelope From).
>>> +* 'Who' objects in the 'TO' category match against the mail address given in
>>> + the `MAIL TO` command (the Envelope To).
>> the smtp-verb is RCPT (`RCPT TO`)
>
> Urgh, sorry about that, thanks for spotting it.
>
> Will send a v2.
sent a v2:
https://lore.proxmox.com/pmg-devel/20250217115517.40171-1-f.weber@proxmox.com/
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