From: "Shannon Sterz" <s.sterz@proxmox.com>
To: "Lukas Wagner" <l.wagner@proxmox.com>, <pdm-devel@lists.proxmox.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH proxmox 01/11] acme-api: make self-signed certificate expiry configurable
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2026 11:53:07 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <DKAYOWONZ3SG.27HBQY4J83JG2@proxmox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DJUUJUK8M08T.A77N2H8CJYU4@proxmox.com>
On Fri Jul 10, 2026 at 1:15 PM CEST, Lukas Wagner wrote:
> Hi Shannon,
>
> thanks for the patch. Some notes inline.
Thanks for the review!
>
> On Thu Jun 18, 2026 at 1:54 PM CEST, Shannon Sterz wrote:
>> and change the default from 365000 days (almost 1000 years) to 3650
>> days (almost 10 years). almost 1000 years is excessive, as no
>> practical cryptographic key can reasonably be considered safe for that
>> amount of time. almost 10 years should still give plenty of time to
>> prepare for certificate changes.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Shannon Sterz <s.sterz@proxmox.com>
>> ---
>>
>> Notes:
>> imo, we could go down even more. as far as i am aware there is no real
>> limit that is being enforced here for self-signed certificates from a
>> browser perspective. they are already trusted on an exemption-basis
>> anyway. however, certificates signed by public CAs will only be valid
>> for a maximum of 47 days by 2029 [1].
>>
>> hence, i would personally either adopt the same limit or go down to a
>> year, as a sensible middle-ground. certificate rotation should really
>> be automated even in self-signed scenarios. we also had cases in the
>> past, where customers already ran into issue because they wanted to
>> limit the lifetime of their certificates below 30 days [2]. meaning
>> that there is a need out there for shorter lived certificates (though,
>> in that case a custom CA & ACME setup was used).
>>
>> [1]: https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/pull/553
>> [2]: https://bugzilla.proxmox.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6372
>>
>> proxmox-acme-api/src/certificate_helpers.rs | 3 ++-
>> 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/proxmox-acme-api/src/certificate_helpers.rs b/proxmox-acme-api/src/certificate_helpers.rs
>> index 3921b18e..9c55d30e 100644
>> --- a/proxmox-acme-api/src/certificate_helpers.rs
>> +++ b/proxmox-acme-api/src/certificate_helpers.rs
>
> Please use this opportunity to add a doc-string for this function which
> also documents this new parameter.
done.
>> @@ -214,6 +214,7 @@ pub fn create_self_signed_cert(
>> product_name: &str,
>> nodename: &str,
>> domain: Option<&str>,
>> + expire: Option<u32>,
>
> Maybe change the name in such a way that it's clear that this is
> - a duration (not a timestamp)
> - measured in days
>
> e.g. `expiry_in_days` (there might be better choices)
>
> Maybe it would even be a good idea to use the 'Duration' type here? I
> guess then the name could stay the same, since the type encodes the
> semantics quite nicely.
>
> Duration::from_days is still only in nightly, so instantiating it via
> Duration::from_secs for now is a bit awkward for this situation,
> admittedly.
>
> https://doc.rust-lang.org/beta/std/time/struct.Duration.html#method.from_days
i went with `days_valid` for now as it's a little shorter and conveys
the meaning appropriately in my opinion.
>> ) -> Result<(PKey<Private>, X509), Error> {
>> let rsa = Rsa::generate(4096).unwrap();
>>
>> @@ -223,7 +224,7 @@ pub fn create_self_signed_cert(
>>
>> let today = openssl::asn1::Asn1Time::days_from_now(0)?;
>> x509.set_not_before(&today)?;
>> - let expire = openssl::asn1::Asn1Time::days_from_now(365 * 1000)?;
>> + let expire = openssl::asn1::Asn1Time::days_from_now(expire.unwrap_or(365 * 10))?;
>> x509.set_not_after(&expire)?;
>>
>> let mut fqdn = nodename.to_owned();
>
>
> Also would not hurt to use this opportunity to implement a simple
> unit-test for this function, which (at least) tests that the expiry is
> set correctly. I think this crate should already have all the needed
> helpers to parse and verify the generated cert in a test?
ack, added three unit tests that should cover the four different
scenarios of input parameters (product_name and nodename only;
product_name, nodename and domain; product_name, nodename and
days_valid; product_name, nodename, domain and days_valid).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-29 9:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-06-18 11:54 [PATCH datacenter-manager/proxmox{,-backup} 00/11] TLS Certificate Rotation Shannon Sterz
2026-06-18 11:54 ` [PATCH proxmox 01/11] acme-api: make self-signed certificate expiry configurable Shannon Sterz
2026-07-10 11:15 ` Lukas Wagner
2026-07-29 9:53 ` Shannon Sterz [this message]
2026-06-18 11:54 ` [PATCH proxmox-backup 02/11] config: use proxmox_acme_api for generating self-signed certificates Shannon Sterz
2026-06-18 11:54 ` [PATCH proxmox-backup 03/11] config: adapt to api change in proxmox_acme_api, add expiry paramter Shannon Sterz
2026-06-18 11:54 ` [PATCH proxmox-backup 04/11] config/server/api: add certificate renewal logic including notifications Shannon Sterz
2026-07-10 11:17 ` Lukas Wagner
2026-07-29 9:53 ` Shannon Sterz
2026-07-29 10:08 ` Lukas Wagner
2026-07-29 10:13 ` Shannon Sterz
2026-07-29 10:29 ` Lukas Wagner
2026-06-18 11:54 ` [PATCH proxmox-backup 05/11] daily-update/docs: warn on excessive self-signed certificate lifetime Shannon Sterz
2026-07-10 11:17 ` Lukas Wagner
2026-07-29 9:53 ` Shannon Sterz
2026-06-18 11:54 ` [PATCH proxmox-backup 06/11] backup-manager cli: `cert update` can create auth and csrf key Shannon Sterz
2026-06-18 11:54 ` [PATCH datacenter-manager 07/11] certs: adapt to api change in proxmox_acme_api, add expiry paramter Shannon Sterz
2026-06-18 11:54 ` [PATCH datacenter-manager 08/11] api/auth/bin: add certificate renewal logic Shannon Sterz
2026-07-10 11:17 ` Lukas Wagner
2026-07-29 9:53 ` Shannon Sterz
2026-06-18 11:54 ` [PATCH datacenter-manager 09/11] cli: expose certificate management endpoints via the cli Shannon Sterz
2026-06-18 11:54 ` [PATCH datacenter-manager 10/11] daily-update/docs: warn on excessive tls certificate validity periods Shannon Sterz
2026-06-18 11:54 ` [PATCH datacenter-manager 11/11] docs/certificates: use correct certificate file name Shannon Sterz
2026-07-30 13:33 ` [PATCH datacenter-manager/proxmox{,-backup} 00/11] TLS Certificate Rotation Shannon Sterz
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