From: Maximiliano Sandoval <m.sandoval@proxmox.com>
To: Shannon Sterz <s.sterz@proxmox.com>
Cc: pbs-devel@lists.proxmox.com
Subject: Re: [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox{, -backup} 0/4] http only cookie based tickets for pbs
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2025 16:05:30 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <s8osein0zpx.fsf@proxmox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250710135010.305861-1-s.sterz@proxmox.com> (Shannon Sterz's message of "Thu, 10 Jul 2025 15:50:06 +0200")
Shannon Sterz <s.sterz@proxmox.com> writes:
> # Summary
>
> this series adds an authentication flow based on http only cookies for
> proxmox backup server. at the moment this authentication flow is opt-in
> in order to not break older clients that may still rely on the previous
> authentication flow.
>
> this series is split into three parts:
>
> 1. prepare proxmox-auth-api to be used with extjs and implements a new
> ticket endpoint for pbs. this endpoint requires clients to provide a
> boolean parameter `http-only` as `true` for it to switch to the new
> http-only based authentication flow.
> 2. adapt proxmox backup server's ui components to always use the http
> only based authentication flow. this should make cookies
> inaccessible to any javascript-based attack in the browser,
> providing an extra layer of security.
> 3. prepare pbs-client for potential servers that may no longer provide
> the previous authentication flow. the point of already adding this
> now, is to be prepare update-hesitant users for a future without the
> old authentication flow. if the old authentication flow is dropped in
> the future, more users will already have a client version that can
> adapt to the new flow.
>
> # Why not opt the `pbs-client` into the new flow?
>
> the client is deliberatelly not opted into the new authentication flow
> for the following reasons:
>
> - http only cookies are only an effective security mechanism within a
> browser context. the client simply does not benefit from this extra
> layer of protection. the attacks http only cookies protect against,
> simply don't exist here.
> - opting the client in unconditionally isn't possible. older pbs servers
> would complain about the additional api parameters provided by the
> client. this means:
>
> + the client would either need to try the http-only flow and once
> that fails, fall back to the older authentication flow.
> + or query (and possibly cache) the server version and check if the
> version is new enough to support the new authentication flow.
>
> both approaches are more error-prone and produce additional network
> overhead than simply not opting the client into the new flow. causing
> api errors may also produce a lot of false warnings when monitoring pbs.
> so there are no benefits, but potential downsides. hence, the client
> will not yet be opted into the new authentication flow.
>
> proxmox:
>
> Shannon Sterz (1):
> auth-api: include meta information required by extjs in api endpoints
>
> proxmox-auth-api/src/api/access.rs | 13 ++++++++++---
> 1 file changed, 10 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>
>
> proxmox-backup:
>
> Shannon Sterz (3):
> api: access: add opt-in http only ticket authentication flow
> ui: opt into the new http-only ticket authentication flow
> client: adapt pbs client to also handle http-only flows correctly
>
> pbs-client/src/http_client.rs | 70 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---
> src/api2/access/mod.rs | 77 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
> www/Application.js | 12 +++++-
> www/LoginView.js | 4 +-
> www/MainView.js | 1 +
> www/Utils.js | 6 +++
> 6 files changed, 159 insertions(+), 11 deletions(-)
>
>
> Summary over all repositories:
> 7 files changed, 169 insertions(+), 14 deletions(-)
Tested via modifying the client:
```diff
modified pbs-client/src/http_client.rs
@@ -506,11 +506,20 @@ impl HttpClient {
}
};
+ let http_only = std::env::var("PROXMOX_BACKUP_CLIENT_HTTP_ONLY")
+ .ok()
+ .and_then(|s| s.parse::<i32>().ok())
+ .is_some_and(|res| res > 0);
+
+ if http_only {
+ info!("Using http-only authentication");
+ }
+
let auth = Arc::new(RwLock::new(AuthInfo {
auth_id: auth_id.clone(),
ticket: password.clone(),
token: "".to_string(),
- http_only: false,
+ http_only,
}));
let server2 = server.to_string();
```
then `proxmox-backup-client login` works against a pbs running this
patch when then env variable is set.
When login via a web browser both cookies are set and cleared correctly
on logout.
The only thing I am missing is a bit of logging on the server side as
described in my reply, but this is not a blocker.
Consider this.
Tested-by: Maximiliano Sandoval <m.sandoval@proxmox.com>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-23 14:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-10 13:50 Shannon Sterz
2025-07-10 13:50 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox 1/1] auth-api: include meta information required by extjs in api endpoints Shannon Sterz
2025-07-15 22:40 ` Thomas Lamprecht
[not found] ` <DBDBXGTI71WP.3V2J3DEMNK1DL@proxmox.com>
2025-07-22 20:21 ` Thomas Lamprecht
2025-07-23 15:18 ` Shannon Sterz
2025-07-10 13:50 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup 1/3] api: access: add opt-in http only ticket authentication flow Shannon Sterz
2025-07-23 12:57 ` Mira Limbeck
2025-07-23 13:58 ` Maximiliano Sandoval
2025-07-10 13:50 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup 2/3] ui: opt into the new http-only " Shannon Sterz
2025-07-10 13:50 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup 3/3] client: adapt pbs client to also handle http-only flows correctly Shannon Sterz
2025-07-23 12:56 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox{, -backup} 0/4] http only cookie based tickets for pbs Mira Limbeck
2025-07-23 14:05 ` Maximiliano Sandoval [this message]
2025-07-23 15:15 ` Shannon Sterz
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