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From: Christian Ebner <c.ebner@proxmox.com>
To: "Proxmox Backup Server development discussion"
	<pbs-devel@lists.proxmox.com>,
	"Fabian Grünbichler" <f.gruenbichler@proxmox.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup 4/7] chunk store: fix: replace evicted cache chunks instead of truncate
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2025 18:14:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c2242e06-85cc-4023-b304-1e7c400ccd70@proxmox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54390eae-412b-4c0f-a700-608763bb9d53@proxmox.com>

On 10/6/25 5:35 PM, Christian Ebner wrote:
> On 10/6/25 3:18 PM, Fabian Grünbichler wrote:
>> On October 6, 2025 12:41 pm, Christian Ebner wrote:
>>> Evicted chunks have been truncated to size zero, keeping the chunk
>>> file in place as in-use marker for the garbage collection but freeing
>>> the chunk file contents. This can however lead to restores failing if
>>> they already opened the chunk file for reading, as their contents are
>>> now incomplete.
>>>
>>> Fix this by instead replacing the chunk file with a zero sized file,
>>> leaving the contents accessible for the already opened chunk readers.
>>>
>>> By moving the logic from the local datastore cache to a helper method
>>> on the chunk store, it is also assured that the operation is guarded
>>> by the chunk store mutex lock to avoid races with chunk re-insert.
>>
>> AFAICT this is still racy even after this patch, because in cache.access
>> after a cache miss (either no local file, or empty local file) we fetch
>> the chunk from S3, insert it into the chunk store (cache), but then
>> instead of returning the chunk from the already in-memory chunk data, we
>> load it again from the path - without holding the lock that prevents the
>> chunk from being evicted again.. while unlikely to be hit in practice,
>> this is still wasteful because we could save a round-trip and just
>> return the chunk we've already constructed from the S3 response and hit
>> two birds with one stone?
> 
> Good catch! Indeed we can serve the response from the already in-memory 
> data in that case.

Actually it is more subtle, as I cannot pass the response from the 
fetcher along to the access implementation of the 
LocalDatastoreLruCache. But I will rewrite the implementation for that,
making the fetcher basically a dummy and moving the insert logic to the 
access method instead.


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  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-06 16:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-06 10:41 [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup 0/7] s3 store: fix issues with chunk s3 backend upload and cache eviction Christian Ebner
2025-10-06 10:41 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup 1/7] datastore: gc: inline single callsite method Christian Ebner
2025-10-06 10:41 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup 2/7] gc: chunk store: rework atime check and gc status into common helper Christian Ebner
2025-10-06 13:14   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-10-06 10:41 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup 3/7] chunk store: add and use method to remove chunks Christian Ebner
2025-10-06 13:17   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-10-06 10:41 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup 4/7] chunk store: fix: replace evicted cache chunks instead of truncate Christian Ebner
2025-10-06 13:18   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-10-06 15:35     ` Christian Ebner
2025-10-06 16:14       ` Christian Ebner [this message]
2025-10-06 10:41 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup 5/7] api: chunk upload: fix race between chunk backend upload and insert Christian Ebner
2025-10-06 13:18   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-10-07 10:15     ` Christian Ebner
2025-10-06 10:41 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup 6/7] api: chunk upload: fix race with garbage collection for no-cache on s3 Christian Ebner
2025-10-06 13:18   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-10-06 10:41 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup 7/7] pull: guard chunk upload and only insert into cache after upload Christian Ebner
2025-10-06 13:18   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-10-06 13:18 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup 0/7] s3 store: fix issues with chunk s3 backend upload and cache eviction Fabian Grünbichler
2025-10-08 15:22 ` [pbs-devel] superseded: " Christian Ebner

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