Re: [pbs-devel] Authentication performance

["Shannon Sterz" <s.sterz@proxmox.com>]

On Mon Dec 16, 2024 at 12:23 PM CET, Mark Schouten wrote:
> Hi,
>
> >
> >would you mind sharing either `authkey.pub` or the output of the
> >following commands:
> >
> >head --lines=1 /etc/proxmox-backup/authkey.key
> >cat /etc/proxmox-backup/authkey.key | wc -l
>
> -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----
> 51
>
> So that is indeed the legacy method. We are going to upgrade our PBS’es
> on wednesday.
>
> >
> >The first should give the PEM header of the authkey whereas the second
> >provides the amount of lines that the key takes up in the file. Both
> >give an indication whether you are using the legacy RSA keys or newer
> >Ed25519 keys. The later should provide more performance, security should
> >not be affected much by this change. If the output of the commands look
> >like this:
> >
> >-----BEGIN PRIVATE KEY-----
> >3
> >
> >Then you are using the newer keys. There currently isn't a recommended
> >way to upgrade the keys. However, in theory you should be able to remove
> >the old keys, re-start PBS and it should just generate keys in the new
> >format. Note that this will logout anyone that is currently
> >authenticated and they'll have to re-authenticate.
>
>   Seems like a good moment to update those keys as well.

Sure, just be aware that you have to manually delete the key before
restarting the PBS. Upgrading alone won't affect the key. Ideally you'd
test this before rolling it out, if you can

> >In general, tokens should still be fater to authenticate so we'd
> >recommend that you try to get your users to switch to token-based
> >authentication where possible. Improving performance there is a bit
> >trickier though, as it often comes with a security trade-off (in the
> >background we use yescrypt fo the authentication there, that
> >delibaretely adds a work factor). However, we may be able to improve
> >performance a bit via caching methods or similar.
>
> Yes, that might help. I’m also not sure if it actually is
> authentication, or if it is the datastore-call that the PVE-environments
> call. As you can see in your support issue 3153557, it looks like some
> requests loop through all datastores, before responding with a limited
> set of datastores.

I looked at that ticket and yes, that is probably unrelated to
authentication.

> For instance (and I’m a complete noob wrt Rust) but if I understand
> https://git.proxmox.com/?p=proxmox-backup.git;a=blob;f=src/api2/admin/datastore.rs;h=11d2641b9ca2d2c92da1a85e4cb16d780368abd3;hb=HEAD#l1315
> correcly, PBS loops through all the datastores, checks mount-status and
> config, and only starts filtering at line 1347. If I understand that
> correctly, in our case with over 1100 datastores, that might cause quite
> some load?

Possible, yes, that would depend on your configuration. Are all of these
datastores defined with a backing device? Because if not, than this
should be fairly fast (as in, this should not actually touch the disks).
If they are, then yes this could be slow as each store would trigger at
least 2 stat calls afaict.

In any case, it should be fine to move the `mount_status` check after
the `if allowed || allow_id` check from what i can tell. Not sure why
we'd need to check the mount_status for a datastore we won't include in
the resulsts anyway. Same goes for parsing the store config imo. Send a
patch for that [1].

[1]: https://lore.proxmox.com/pbs-devel/20241216115044.208595-1-s.sterz@proxmox.com/T/#u

>
>
> Thanks,
>
> —
>   Mark Schouten
> CTO, Tuxis B.V.
> +31 318 200208 / mark@tuxis.nl



_______________________________________________
pbs-devel mailing list
pbs-devel@lists.proxmox.com
https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs-devel