Re: [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup] docs: add note for not using remote storages

[Thomas Lamprecht <t.lamprecht@proxmox.com>]

This section is a quite central and important one, so I'm being a bit
more nitpicking with it than other content. NFS boxes are still quite
popular, a blanket recommendation against them quite probably won't
help our cause or reducing noise in our getting help channels.

Dietmar already applied this, so would need a follow-up please.

Am 11/06/2024 um 11:30 schrieb Dominik Csapak:
> such as NFS or SMB. They will not provide the expected performance
> and it's better to recommend against them.

Not so sure about doing recommending against them as a blanket statement,
the "remote" part might adjective is a bit subtle and, e.g., using a local
full flash NVMe storage attached over a 100G link with latency in the µs
surely beats basically any local spinner only storage and probably even
a lot of SATA attached SSD ones.

Also, it can be totally fine to use as second datastore, i.e. in a setup
with a (smaller) datastore backed by (e.g. local) fast storage that is
then periodically synced to a slower remote.

> Signed-off-by: Dominik Csapak <d.csapak@proxmox.com>
> ---
> if we want to discourage users even more, we could also detect it on
> datastore creation and put a warning into the task log

I would avoid that, at least not without actually measuring how the
storage performs (which is probably quite prone to errors, or would
require periodic measurements).

> 
> also if we ever come around to implementing the 'health' page thomas
> wished for, we can put a warning/error there too
> 
>  docs/system-requirements.rst | 3 +++
>  1 file changed, 3 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/docs/system-requirements.rst b/docs/system-requirements.rst
> index fb920865..17756b7b 100644
> --- a/docs/system-requirements.rst
> +++ b/docs/system-requirements.rst
> @@ -41,6 +41,9 @@ Recommended Server System Requirements
>    * Use only SSDs, for best results
>    * If HDDs are used: Using a metadata cache is highly recommended, for example,
>      add a ZFS :ref:`special device mirror <local_zfs_special_device>`.
> +  * While it's technically possible to use remote storages such as NFS or SMB,

Up-front, I wrote some possible smaller improvements upfront but then
a replacement (see below), but I kept the others 

Would do s/remote storages/remote storage/

(We use "storages" quite a few times already, but if possible keeping it
singular sounds nicer IMO)

> +    the additional latency and overhead drastically reduces performance and it's

s/additional latency and overhead/additional latency overhead/ ?

or "network overhead"

If it'd stay as is, the "reduces" should be changed to "reduce" ("latency and
overhead" is plural).


> +    not recommended to use such a setup.

The last part would be better off with just:

"... and is not recommended"


But I'd rather reword the whole thing to focus more on what the actual issue is,
i.e., not NFS or SMB/CIFS per se, but if the network accessing them is slow.
Maybe something like:

* Avoid using remote storage, like NFS or SMB/CIFS, connected over a slow
  (< 10 Gbps) and/or high latency (> 1 ms) link. Such a storage can
  dramatically reduce performance and may even negatively impact the
  backup source, e.g. by causing IO hangs.

I pulled the numbers in parentheses out of thin air, but IMO they shouldn't be too far
off from 2024 Slow™, no hard feelings on adapting them though.

>  
>  * Redundant Multi-GBit/s network interface cards (NICs)
>  



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