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From: "Fabian Grünbichler" <f.gruenbichler@proxmox.com>
To: Gabriel Goller <g.goller@proxmox.com>,
	Proxmox Backup Server development discussion
	<pbs-devel@lists.proxmox.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox{, -backup} 0/2] Move ProcessLocker to tmpfs
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2023 15:14:20 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <695531623.1949.1701872060137@webmail.proxmox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2507e464-7b0a-4814-b089-dc5b1d8d2904@proxmox.com>


> Gabriel Goller <g.goller@proxmox.com> hat am 06.12.2023 14:56 CET geschrieben:
> On 12/6/23 14:41, Fabian Grünbichler wrote:
> >>
> >> Gabriel Goller <g.goller@proxmox.com> hat am 06.12.2023 14:28 CET 
> >> geschrieben: This moves the `ProcessLocker`'s `.lock` file to 
> >> `/run/proxmox-backup/locks` (tmpfs). The first patch only converts 
> >> all the `F_SETLK` flags to `F_OFD_SETLK` flags. This changes normal 
> >> locks, which are based on the process, to locks based on an open file 
> >> descriptor. This actually doesn't change anything, because we use 
> >> mutexes, so the lock is already thread-safe. It would be cleaner 
> >> though and would safe us from weird quirks like closing the lock-file 
> >> which would drop all the locks when using the POSIX `F_SETLK`. See 
> >> more here [0].
> >>
> > this might be moot, since most likely both patches go in at the same 
> > time, is this change reload/upgrade-compatible? i.e., if an old 
> > proxmox-backup(-proxy) process is (still) running that has the lock 
> > open with F_SETLK, and the new one obtains it using F_OFD_SETLK, is 
> > the behaviour still correct? (the other direction might be interesting 
> > too, but can only happen on an unsupported downgrade)
> >
> Just spoke with Stefan Sterz about this and we will probably 
> apply/release this with a major version bump (kernel update), so that 
> the user
> is forced to reboot the system (same as with his tmpfs locking series).
> I don't think there is another way, because the lockfiles get moved to 
> another dir. Although F_SETLK and F_OFD_SETLK should be compatible,
> so having one process use F_SETLK and another F_OFD_SETLK *should* still 
> work (don't take my word for it though).

that doesn't really help though, unless we also add machinery to detect the missing reboot and block any process-locker-requiring stuff in the new process until it has happened? or we make "set all datastores to read-only or offline" a requirement for upgrading from 3 to 4, instead of optional like for 2 to 3[0]. otherwise even just the time between "postinst of PBS package is called" to "upgrade of whole system is fully done" can be big enough to cause a problem..

0: https://pbs.proxmox.com/wiki/index.php/Upgrade_from_2_to_3#Optional:_Enable_Maintenance_Mode




  reply	other threads:[~2023-12-06 14:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-06 13:28 Gabriel Goller
2023-12-06 13:28 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox 1/2] process_locker: use ofd locking Gabriel Goller
2023-12-06 13:28 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 2/2] datastore: store datastore lock on tmpfs Gabriel Goller
2023-12-06 13:41 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox{, -backup} 0/2] Move ProcessLocker to tmpfs Fabian Grünbichler
2023-12-06 13:56   ` Gabriel Goller
2023-12-06 14:14     ` Fabian Grünbichler [this message]
2023-12-06 14:21       ` Gabriel Goller
2023-12-06 14:33         ` Fabian Grünbichler
2023-12-06 14:36   ` Thomas Lamprecht
2023-12-06 14:46     ` Gabriel Goller
2023-12-06 14:58       ` Thomas Lamprecht

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