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From: "Fabian Grünbichler" <f.gruenbichler@proxmox.com>
To: Christian Ebner <c.ebner@proxmox.com>, pbs-devel@lists.proxmox.com
Subject: Re: [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 pxar proxmox-backup 00/58] fix #3174: improve file-level backup
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2024 13:39:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <171231718790.2418221.3224184974223438557@yuna.proxmox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240328123707.336951-1-c.ebner@proxmox.com>

Quoting Christian Ebner (2024-03-28 13:36:09)
> A big thank you to Dietmar and Fabian for the review of the previous
> version and Fabian for extensive testing and help during debugging.
> 
> This series of patches implements an metadata based file change
> detection mechanism for improved pxar file level backup creation speed
> for unchanged files.
> 
> The chosen approach is to split pxar archives on creation via the
> proxmox-backup-client into two separate data and upload streams,
> one exclusive for regular file payloads, the other one for the rest
> of the pxar archive, which is mostly metadata.
> 
> On consecutive runs, the metadata archive of the previous backup run,
> which is limited in size and therefore rapidly accessed is used to
> lookup and compare the metadata for entries to encode.
> This assumes that the connection speed to the Proxmox Backup Server is
> sufficiently fast, allowing the download and chaching of the chunks for
> that index.
> 
> Changes to regular files are detected by comparing all of the files
> metadata object, including mtime, acls, ecc. If no changes are detected,
> the previous payload index is used to lookup chunks to possibly re-use
> in the payload stream of the new archive.
> In order to reduce possible chunk fragmentation, the decision whether to
> re-use or re-encode a file payload is deferred until enough information
> is gathered by adding entries to a look-ahead cache. If the padding
> introduced by reusing chunks falls below a threshold, the entries are
> referenced, the chunks are re-used and injected into the pxar payload
> upload stream, otherwise they are discated and the files encoded
> regularly.

There's still some not-too-fundamental refactoring in the feedback this time
around, but it's alreayd taking up shape.

A few bigger open questions:
- maybe do some test runs with different non-sliding-window chunking approaches
- what to do about the catalog? with the split archives, it would be nice to
  get rid of the overhead of having two metadata archives..
- CliParams/Prelude: what to use it for, and how (other than the parameters/CLI
  excludes)
- should we add a mode to force split archive, but no-reuse (for example,
  allowing to reset padding overhead every X backups)
- more testing, also of pathologically constructed input would be great (both
  for validation, and for performance/reuse regression testing)

Also, clippy doesn't like some of the new code, maybe you could take a look at
those as well, it's mostly minor stuff like unnecessary reference taking..

Thanks for all your work on this, I am sure this will be a big step forward in
extending the use cases where PBS makes sense :)




  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-04-05 11:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-28 12:36 Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 pxar 01/58] encoder: fix two typos in comments Christian Ebner
2024-04-03  9:12   ` [pbs-devel] applied: " Fabian Grünbichler
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 pxar 02/58] format/examples: add PXAR_PAYLOAD_REF entry header Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 pxar 03/58] decoder: add method to read payload references Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 pxar 04/58] decoder: factor out skip part from skip_entry Christian Ebner
2024-04-03  9:18   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-03 11:02     ` Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 pxar 05/58] encoder: add optional output writer for file payloads Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 pxar 06/58] encoder: move to stack based state tracking Christian Ebner
2024-04-03  9:54   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-03 11:01     ` Christian Ebner
2024-04-04  8:48       ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-04  9:04         ` Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 pxar 07/58] decoder/accessor: add optional payload input stream Christian Ebner
2024-04-03 10:38   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-03 11:47     ` Christian Ebner
2024-04-03 12:18     ` Christian Ebner
2024-04-04  8:46       ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-04  9:49         ` Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 pxar 08/58] encoder: add payload reference capability Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 pxar 09/58] encoder: add payload position capability Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 pxar 10/58] encoder: add payload advance capability Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 pxar 11/58] encoder/format: finish payload stream with marker Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 pxar 12/58] format: add payload stream start marker Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 pxar 13/58] format: add pxar format version entry Christian Ebner
2024-04-03 11:41   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-03 13:31     ` Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 pxar 14/58] format/encoder/decoder: add entry type cli params Christian Ebner
2024-04-03 12:01   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-03 14:41     ` Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 15/58] client: pxar: switch to stack based encoder state Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 16/58] client: backup writer: only borrow http client Christian Ebner
2024-04-08  9:04   ` [pbs-devel] applied: " Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-08  9:17     ` Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 17/58] client: backup: factor out extension from backup target Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 18/58] client: backup: early check for fixed index type Christian Ebner
2024-04-08  9:05   ` [pbs-devel] applied: " Fabian Grünbichler
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 19/58] client: pxar: combine writer params into struct Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 20/58] client: backup: split payload to dedicated stream Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 21/58] client: helper: add helpers for creating reader instances Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 22/58] client: helper: add method for split archive name mapping Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 23/58] client: restore: read payload from dedicated index Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 24/58] tools: cover meta extension for pxar archives Christian Ebner
2024-04-04  9:01   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-04  9:06     ` Christian Ebner
2024-04-04  9:10       ` Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 25/58] restore: " Christian Ebner
2024-04-04  9:02   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 26/58] client: mount: make split pxar archives mountable Christian Ebner
2024-04-04  9:43   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-04 13:29     ` Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 27/58] api: datastore: refactor getting local chunk reader Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 28/58] api: datastore: attach optional payload " Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 29/58] catalog: shell: factor out pxar fuse reader instantiation Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 30/58] catalog: shell: redirect payload reader for split streams Christian Ebner
2024-04-04  9:49   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-04 15:52     ` Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 31/58] www: cover meta extension for pxar archives Christian Ebner
2024-04-04 10:01   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-04 14:51     ` Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 32/58] pxar: add optional payload input for achive restore Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 33/58] pxar: add more context to extraction error Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 34/58] client: pxar: include payload offset in output Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 35/58] pxar: show padding in debug output on archive list Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 36/58] datastore: dynamic index: add method to get digest Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 37/58] client: pxar: helper for lookup of reusable dynamic entries Christian Ebner
2024-04-04 12:54   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-04 17:13     ` Christian Ebner
2024-04-05  7:22       ` Christian Ebner
2024-04-05 11:28   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 38/58] upload stream: impl reused chunk injector Christian Ebner
2024-04-04 14:24   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-05 10:26     ` Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 39/58] client: chunk stream: add struct to hold injection state Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 40/58] client: chunk stream: add dynamic entries injection queues Christian Ebner
2024-04-04 14:52   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-08 13:54     ` Christian Ebner
2024-04-09  7:19       ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 41/58] specs: add backup detection mode specification Christian Ebner
2024-04-04 14:54   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-08 13:36     ` Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 42/58] client: implement prepare reference method Christian Ebner
2024-04-05  8:01   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 43/58] client: pxar: implement store to insert chunks on caching Christian Ebner
2024-04-05  7:52   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-09  9:12     ` Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 44/58] client: pxar: add previous reference to archiver Christian Ebner
2024-04-04 15:04   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 45/58] client: pxar: add method for metadata comparison Christian Ebner
2024-04-05  8:08   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-05  8:14     ` Christian Ebner
2024-04-09 12:52       ` Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 46/58] pxar: caching: add look-ahead cache types Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 47/58] client: pxar: add look-ahead caching Christian Ebner
2024-04-05  8:33   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-09 14:53     ` Christian Ebner
     [not found]       ` <<dce38c53-f3e7-47ac-b1fd-a63daaabbcec@proxmox.com>
2024-04-10  7:03         ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-10  7:11           ` Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 48/58] fix #3174: client: pxar: enable caching and meta comparison Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 49/58] client: backup: increase average chunk size for metadata Christian Ebner
2024-04-05  9:42   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-05 10:49     ` Dietmar Maurer
2024-04-08  8:28       ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-03-28 12:36 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 50/58] client: backup writer: add injected chunk count to stats Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:37 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 51/58] pxar: create: show chunk injection stats debug output Christian Ebner
2024-04-05  9:47   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-10 10:00     ` Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:37 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 52/58] client: pxar: add entry kind format version Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:37 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 53/58] client: pxar: opt encode cli exclude patterns as CliParams Christian Ebner
2024-04-05  9:49   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-03-28 12:37 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 54/58] client: pxar: add flow chart for metadata change detection Christian Ebner
2024-04-05 10:16   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-04-10 10:04     ` Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:37 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 55/58] docs: describe file format for split payload files Christian Ebner
2024-04-05 10:26   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-03-28 12:37 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 56/58] docs: add section describing change detection mode Christian Ebner
2024-04-05 11:22   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-03-28 12:37 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 57/58] test-suite: add detection mode change benchmark Christian Ebner
2024-03-28 12:37 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 proxmox-backup 58/58] test-suite: add bin to deb, add shell completions Christian Ebner
2024-04-05 11:39 ` Fabian Grünbichler [this message]
2024-04-29 12:13 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v3 pxar proxmox-backup 00/58] fix #3174: improve file-level backup Christian Ebner

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