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From: "Fabian Grünbichler" <f.gruenbichler@proxmox.com>
To: Christian Ebner <c.ebner@proxmox.com>,
	Proxmox Backup Server development discussion
	<pbs-devel@lists.proxmox.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs-devel] [PATCH-SERIES v4 pxar proxmox-backup proxmox-widget-toolkit 00/26] fix #3174: improve file-level backup
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 16:35:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1699889467.nhdkcuuw11.astroid@yuna.none> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1419587687.3325.1699888493974@webmail.proxmox.com>

On November 13, 2023 4:14 pm, Christian Ebner wrote:
> Thanks for your comments, some thoughts inline:
> 
>> On 13.11.2023 15:23 CET Fabian Grünbichler <f.gruenbichler@proxmox.com> wrote:
>> some (high-level) comments focused on compatibility:
>> 
>> the catalog v2 format is used unconditionally at the moment. IMHO it
>> should be guarded/opt-in via --change-detection-method, since old
>> clients cannot parse it.
> 
> While it is true that the new catalog format is not readable by an old client,
> the motivation to include this unconditionally was to be able to also use
> backups created with the default change detection mode as reference.
> Backups with the change detection mode set to metadata would still not be
> readable by older clients.
> 
> I can of course make this conditional and only ever use catalogs with format
> version 2 as reference in cases of metadata based file change detection.

IMHO the downside of requiring two runs for the change-detection to
become effective (which is the case for new groups anyhow) is far
smaller than unconditionally breaking all catalog-related features for
older clients with no way of opting out. especially since some of those
features are server-side (file browsing/download for unencrypted
backups, for example), and you might have a mix of clients accessing a
PBS repo. the first run that just changes the catalog format to support
subsequent runs could easily detect and log this state prominently to
avoid confusion.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-11-13 15:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-09 18:45 Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:45 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 pxar 1/26] fix #3174: decoder: factor out skip_bytes from skip_entry Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:45 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 pxar 2/26] fix #3174: decoder: impl skip_bytes for sync dec Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:45 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 pxar 3/26] fix #3174: encoder: calc filename + metadata byte size Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:45 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 pxar 4/26] fix #3174: enc/dec: impl PXAR_APPENDIX_REF entrytype Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:45 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 pxar 5/26] fix #3174: enc/dec: impl PXAR_APPENDIX entrytype Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:45 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 pxar 6/26] fix #3174: encoder: helper to add to encoder position Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:45 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 pxar 7/26] fix #3174: enc/dec: impl PXAR_APPENDIX_TAIL entrytype Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:45 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 proxmox-backup 08/26] fix #3174: index: add fn index list from start/end-offsets Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:45 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 proxmox-backup 09/26] fix #3174: index: add fn digest for DynamicEntry Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:45 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 proxmox-backup 10/26] fix #3174: api: double catalog upload size Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:45 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 proxmox-backup 11/26] fix #3174: catalog: introduce extended format v2 Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:46 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 proxmox-backup 12/26] fix #3174: archiver/extractor: impl appendix ref Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:46 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 proxmox-backup 13/26] fix #3174: catalog: add specialized Archive entry Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:46 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 proxmox-backup 14/26] fix #3174: extractor: impl seq restore from appendix Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:46 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 proxmox-backup 15/26] fix #3174: archiver: store ref to previous backup Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:46 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 proxmox-backup 16/26] fix #3174: upload stream: impl reused chunk injector Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:46 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 proxmox-backup 17/26] fix #3174: chunker: add forced boundaries Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:46 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 proxmox-backup 18/26] fix #3174: backup writer: inject queued chunk in upload steam Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:46 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 proxmox-backup 19/26] fix #3174: archiver: reuse files with unchanged metadata Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:46 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 proxmox-backup 20/26] fix #3174: specs: add backup detection mode specification Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:46 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 proxmox-backup 21/26] fix #3174: client: Add detection mode to backup creation Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:46 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 proxmox-backup 22/26] test-suite: add detection mode change benchmark Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:46 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 proxmox-backup 23/26] test-suite: Add bin to deb, add shell completions Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:46 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 proxmox-backup 24/26] catalog: fetch offset and size for files and refs Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:46 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 proxmox-backup 25/26] pxar: add heuristic to reduce reused chunk fragmentation Christian Ebner
2023-11-09 18:46 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v4 proxmox-widget-toolkit 26/26] file-browser: support pxar archive and fileref types Christian Ebner
2023-11-13 14:23 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH-SERIES v4 pxar proxmox-backup proxmox-widget-toolkit 00/26] fix #3174: improve file-level backup Fabian Grünbichler
2023-11-13 15:14   ` Christian Ebner
2023-11-13 15:21     ` Christian Ebner
2023-11-13 15:35     ` Fabian Grünbichler [this message]
2023-11-13 15:45       ` Christian Ebner

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