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From: Christian Ebner <c.ebner@proxmox.com>
To: "Fabian Grünbichler" <f.gruenbichler@proxmox.com>,
	pbs-devel@lists.proxmox.com
Subject: Re: [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 13/31] api types: define remote permissions and roles for push sync
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2024 13:17:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0503d831-4b81-4b14-8d8e-35eeb805318e@proxmox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <172302967643.107519.17362344441967210914@yuna.proxmox.com>

On 8/7/24 13:21, Fabian Grünbichler wrote:
> after thinking about this some more - this is missing some more bits I think.
> 
> for a pull based sync, we have two users:
> - local owner/user
> - remote user via remote.cfg
> 
> we only ever query/read from the remote side, so having two privs is fine:
> - one to see the remote in the first place
> - one to read backups that the configured remote user sees
> 
> for the local side, we have the full set of privs/operations:
> - create/delete namespaces (DATASTORE_MODIFY)
> - delete snapshots or groups (DATASTORE_MODIFY or DATASTORE_PRUNE+owner)
> - create snapshots or groups (DATASTORE_BACKUP+owner)
> 
> but for push based backups, we basically need to map the "local" privs from a
> pull to the remote privs, since we possibly need to do the same set of
> operations (while in the case of push, we only query/read the local side, so
> the priv matrix there is simpler).
> 
> the owner semantics for push based backups are also rather weird/confusing:
> 
> - if owner has PRIV_DATASTORE_READ on the source, all groups will be synced
> - if owner only has PRIV_DATASTORE_BACKUP only owned groups will be synced
> - the backups on the target will always be owned by the remote.cfg user(!)

Yes, I agree that this might be confusing. I think however that the main 
confusion stems from the fact, that the local user is currently referred 
to as `owner`, while as a matter of fact this is the `source reader`? I 
do think it makes sense that only backups which that user can see are 
synced, after all that is the reason to even create a user with that 
permission set?

The owner will be the user as which the backup is written onto the 
target (which is given by the remote). This cannot currently be 
configured as for the pull job.

> 
> syncing back is thus only possible if the (source) owner and the remote.cfg
> user are identical?

When syncing back by a pull, the owner can be set by the sync job again, 
so that should be possible. Although, the initial ownership might get 
lost. But that is already the case with the pull sync job? Or do you 
mean syncing back by pushing the snapshots over from the remote again?

> 
> should we rename that parameter? owner makes sense for pulling (it is the user
> that owns the synced groups after the sync), but not so much for pushing, where
> something like "Local User" might be less misleading?
> 

Yes, agreed.





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Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-01  7:43 [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 00/31] fix #3044: push datastore to remote target Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 01/31] api: datastore: add missing whitespace in description Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 02/31] server: sync: move sync related stats to common module Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 03/31] server: sync: move reader trait to common sync module Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 04/31] server: sync: move source " Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 05/31] client: backup writer: bundle upload stats counters Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 06/31] client: backup writer: factor out merged chunk stream upload Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 07/31] client: backup writer: add chunk count and duration stats Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 08/31] client: backup writer: allow push uploading index and chunks Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 09/31] api: backup: add no-timestamp-check flag to backup endpoint Christian Ebner
2024-08-07 10:33   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-08-07 10:48     ` Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 10/31] server: sync: move skip info/reason to common sync module Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 11/31] server: sync: make skip reason message more genenric Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 12/31] server: sync: factor out namespace depth check into sync module Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 13/31] api types: define remote permissions and roles for push sync Christian Ebner
2024-08-07 10:45   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-08-07 11:21     ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-09-05 11:17       ` Christian Ebner [this message]
2024-09-05 12:12         ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-09-05 12:26           ` Christian Ebner
2024-09-05 12:42             ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-09-05 13:27               ` Christian Ebner
2024-09-05 14:06                 ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 14/31] fix #3044: server: implement push support for sync operations Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 15/31] config: jobs: add `sync-push` config type for push sync jobs Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 16/31] api: push: implement endpoint for sync in push direction Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 17/31] api: sync: move sync job invocation to common module Christian Ebner
2024-08-07 10:51   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 18/31] api: sync jobs: expose optional `sync-direction` parameter Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 19/31] bin: manager: add datastore push cli command Christian Ebner
2024-08-07 10:55   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 20/31] ui: group filter: allow to set namespace for local datastore Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 21/31] ui: sync edit: source group filters based on sync direction Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 22/31] ui: add view with separate grids for pull and push sync jobs Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 23/31] ui: sync job: adapt edit window to be used for pull and push Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 24/31] ui: sync: pass sync-direction to allow removing push jobs Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 25/31] ui: sync view: do not use data model proxy for store Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 26/31] ui: sync view: set sync direction when invoking run task via api Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:43 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 27/31] datastore: move `BackupGroupDeleteStats` to api types Christian Ebner
2024-08-07 11:00   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2024-08-01  7:44 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 28/31] api types: implement api type for `BackupGroupDeleteStats` Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:44 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 29/31] datastore: increment deleted group counter when removing group Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:44 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 30/31] api: datastore/namespace: return backup groups delete stats on remove Christian Ebner
2024-08-01  7:44 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 31/31] server: sync job: use delete stats provided by the api Christian Ebner
2024-09-12 14:38 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH v2 proxmox-backup 00/31] fix #3044: push datastore to remote target Christian Ebner

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