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From: Christian Ebner <c.ebner@proxmox.com>
To: Thomas Lamprecht <t.lamprecht@proxmox.com>,
	Proxmox Backup Server development discussion
	<pbs-devel@lists.proxmox.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 21/37] datastore: implement garbage collection for s3 backend
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 13:15:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dfbf0106-aa01-4371-a02e-d3e55312cef1@proxmox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a2b907ef-5460-4c37-ab93-f91f71368c89@proxmox.com>

On 7/10/25 11:47, Christian Ebner wrote:
> On 7/10/25 08:59, Thomas Lamprecht wrote:
>> I'm reading through this in not a very orderly fashion, so probably
>> won't be a very structured review, but some comments here and there.
>>
>> Am 08.07.25 um 19:00 schrieb Christian Ebner:
>>> Implements the garbage collection for datastore's backed by an s3
>>> object store.
>>> Take advantage of the local datastore by placing marker files in the
>>> chunk store during phase 1 of the garbage collection, updating their
>>> atime if already present. By this expensive api calls can be avoided
>>> to update the object metadata (only possible via a copy object
>>> operation).
>>
>> The last sentence would be IMO slightly easier to understand:
>>
>> This allows us to avoid making expensive API calls to update object
>> metadata, which would only be possible via a copy object operation.
>>
>>>
>>> The phase 2 is implemented by fetching a list of all the chunks via
>>> the ListObjectsV2 api call, filtered by the chunk folder prefix.
>>> This operation has to be performed in patches of 1000 objects, given
>>
>> s/patches/batches/
>>
>>> by the api's response limits.
>>> For each object key, lookup the marker file and decide based on the
>>> marker existence and it's atime if the chunk object needs to be
>>> removed. Deletion happens via the delete objects operation, allowing
>>> to delete multiple chunks by a single request.
>>>
>>> This allows to efficiently lookup chunks which are not in use
>>> anymore while being performant and cost effective.
>>
>> Do you got some rough numbers perchance? E.g., something like "a
>> datastore with X indexes, Y acutal data and Z deduplication factor
>> is garbage collect in T time on:" and then the time numbers for
>> e.g. ceph RGW backed S3, AWS/Cloudlflare S3/R2 and file system,
>> just to get some idea of the ballpark we're in, and can also help
>> to have such numbers as baseline for potential future optimization
>> experiments.
> 
> Ran into issues with GC returning sometimes 400 bad request errors while 
> performing the baseline performance test.
> Interestingly only on AWS, Cloudflare R2 and RADOS Gateway work as 
> expected.
> 
> I'm currently investigating, but this seems related to the next 
> continuation token in the list object v2 requests.

Found and fixed the culprit: The issue here was the continuation token 
not being uri encoded, but being passed along as query parameter to the 
api request. This was an issue, since the token returned by AWS are 
base64 encoded, therefore might contain equal signs.

Fixed this by reworking the encoding logic, instead of already encoding 
the strings in the S3ObjectKey, encode the path and all query parameters 
in the s3 client's `build_uri` helper, which is used by all api calls 
anyways. It makes actually more sense to have it there, as then object 
keys can be parsed/passed in the body without encoding/decoding steps.


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Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-08 17:00 [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox{, -backup} v6 00/46] fix #2943: S3 storage backend for datastores Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox v6 1/9] s3 client: add crate for AWS s3 compatible object store client Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox v6 2/9] s3 client: implement AWS signature v4 request authentication Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox v6 3/9] s3 client: add dedicated type for s3 object keys Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox v6 4/9] s3 client: add type for last modified timestamp in responses Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox v6 5/9] s3 client: add helper to parse http date headers Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox v6 6/9] s3 client: implement methods to operate on s3 objects in bucket Christian Ebner
2025-07-09 10:04   ` Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox v6 7/9] s3 client: add example usage for basic operations Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox v6 8/9] pbs-api-types: extend datastore config by backend config enum Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox v6 9/9] pbs-api-types: maintenance: add new maintenance mode S3 refresh Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 01/37] datastore: add helpers for path/digest to s3 object key conversion Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 02/37] config: introduce s3 object store client configuration Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 03/37] api: config: implement endpoints to manipulate and list s3 configs Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 04/37] api: datastore: check s3 backend bucket access on datastore create Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 05/37] api/cli: add endpoint and command to check s3 client connection Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 06/37] datastore: allow to get the backend for a datastore Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 07/37] api: backup: store datastore backend in runtime environment Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 08/37] api: backup: conditionally upload chunks to s3 object store backend Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 09/37] api: backup: conditionally upload blobs " Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 10/37] api: backup: conditionally upload indices " Christian Ebner
2025-07-09  7:55   ` Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 11/37] api: backup: conditionally upload manifest " Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 12/37] sync: pull: conditionally upload content to s3 backend Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 13/37] api: reader: fetch chunks based on datastore backend Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 14/37] datastore: local chunk reader: read chunks based on backend Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 15/37] verify worker: add datastore backed to verify worker Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 16/37] verify: implement chunk verification for stores with s3 backend Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 17/37] datastore: create namespace marker in " Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 18/37] datastore: create/delete protected marker file on s3 storage backend Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 19/37] datastore: prune groups/snapshots from s3 object store backend Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 20/37] datastore: get and set owner for s3 " Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 21/37] datastore: implement garbage collection for s3 backend Christian Ebner
2025-07-10  6:59   ` Thomas Lamprecht
2025-07-10  7:36     ` Christian Ebner
2025-07-10  9:47     ` Christian Ebner
2025-07-10 11:15       ` Christian Ebner [this message]
2025-07-08 17:00 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 22/37] ui: add datastore type selector and reorganize component layout Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:01 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 23/37] ui: add s3 client edit window for configuration create/edit Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:01 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 24/37] ui: add s3 client view for configuration Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:01 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 25/37] ui: expose the s3 client view in the navigation tree Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:01 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 26/37] ui: add s3 client selector and bucket field for s3 backend setup Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:01 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 27/37] tools: lru cache: add removed callback for evicted cache nodes Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:01 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 28/37] tools: async lru cache: implement insert, remove and contains methods Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:01 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 29/37] datastore: add local datastore cache for network attached storages Christian Ebner
2025-07-10 10:05   ` Thomas Lamprecht
2025-07-10 10:30     ` Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:01 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 30/37] api: backup: use local datastore cache on s3 backend chunk upload Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:01 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 31/37] api: reader: use local datastore cache on s3 backend chunk fetching Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:01 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 32/37] datastore: local chunk reader: get cached chunk from local cache store Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:01 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 33/37] api: backup: add no-cache flag to bypass local datastore cache Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:01 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 34/37] api/datastore: implement refresh endpoint for stores with s3 backend Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:01 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 35/37] cli: add dedicated subcommand for datastore s3 refresh Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:01 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 36/37] ui: render s3 refresh as valid maintenance type and task description Christian Ebner
2025-07-08 17:01 ` [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup v6 37/37] ui: expose s3 refresh button for datastores backed by object store Christian Ebner
2025-07-10 17:09 ` [pbs-devel] superseded: [PATCH proxmox{, -backup} v6 00/46] fix #2943: S3 storage backend for datastores Christian Ebner

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