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From: Wolfgang Bumiller <w.bumiller@proxmox.com>
To: Lukas Wagner <l.wagner@proxmox.com>
Cc: pdm-devel@lists.proxmox.com
Subject: Re: [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 10/25] metric collection: collect overdue metrics on startup/timer change
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 15:19:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <tioielukadqvyajbzi5444is2eycwapzrn6d6pl5pndbxono6y@utdkmguj6v6l> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f617ae45-f205-4dca-a3b3-7febb924e67b@proxmox.com>

On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 02:50:32PM +0100, Lukas Wagner wrote:
> 
> 
> On  2025-02-13 09:55, Wolfgang Bumiller wrote:
> >>          loop {
> >>              let old_settings = self.settings.clone();
> >>              tokio::select! {
> >> @@ -124,7 +132,12 @@ impl MetricCollectionTask {
> >>                      "metric collection interval changed to {} seconds, reloading timer",
> >>                      interval
> >>                  );
> >> -                timer = Self::setup_timer(interval);
> >> +                (timer, next_run) = Self::setup_timer(interval);
> >> +                // If change (and therefore reset) our timer right before it fires,
> >> +                // we could potentially miss one collection event.
> > 
> > Couldn't we instead just pass `next_run` through to `setup_timer` and
> > call `reset_at(next_run)` on it? (`first_run` would only be used in the
> > initial setup, so `next_run` could either be an `Option`, or the setup
> > code does the `next_aligned_instant` call...
> > 
> > This should be much less code by making the new
> > `fetch_overdue{,_and_save_sate}()` functions unnecessary, or am I
> > missing something?
> > 
> 
> I guess the question is, do we want nicely aligned timer ticks?
> 
> e.g. 14:01:00, 14:02:00, 14:03:00 ... for 60 second interval
> or   14:00:00, 14:05:00, 14:10:00 ... for a 5 minute interval?
> 
> Because that was the main intention behind using the 'collection-interval' as
> a base for calculating the aligned instant for the first timer reset.
> If we reuse the 'old' `next_run` when the interval is changed, we
> also reuse the old alignment. 
> 
> For instance, when changing from initially 1 minute to 5 minutes, the
> timer ticks might come at 
>   14:01:00, 14:06:00, 14:11:00
> 
> Technically, the naming for the `next_run` variable is not the best,
> since it just contains the Instant when the timer *first* fires, but
> this is then never updated to the *next* time the timer will fire...
> So that means that when changing the interval with your suggested change,
> you'd pass an Instant to `reset_at` that is already in the past,
> causing the timer to fire immediately.
> 
> If we *don't* care about the aligned ticks as described above, we could
> just use a static alignment boundary, e.g. 60 seconds.
> In this case we can also get rid of the fetch_overdue stuff, since
> at worst case we have 60 seconds until the next tick on startup or timer change,
> which should be good enough to prevent any significant gaps in the data.

What about setting a flag - if the current next tick was earlier than
the new next tick - to tell tick() to re-align the timer when it is next
triggered?

So when going from 1 to 5 minutes at 14:01:50, we `.reset_at(14:02:00)`
and also set `realign = true`, and at 14:02, tick() should
`.reset_at(14:05:00)`.

I just feel like the logic in the "fetch_overdue" code should not be
necessary to have, but if it's too awkward to handle via the tick timer,
it's fine to keep it in v2.


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  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-13 14:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-11 12:05 [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 00/25] metric collection improvements (concurrency, config, API, CLI) Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 01/25] test support: add NamedTempFile helper Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 02/25] test support: add NamedTempDir helper Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 03/25] pdm-api-types: add CollectionSettings type Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 14:18   ` Maximiliano Sandoval
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 04/25] pdm-config: add functions for reading/writing metric collection settings Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 05/25] metric collection: split top_entities split into separate module Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 06/25] metric collection: save metric data to RRD in separate task Lukas Wagner
2025-02-12 13:59   ` Wolfgang Bumiller
2025-02-12 14:32     ` Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 07/25] metric collection: rework metric poll task Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:58   ` Lukas Wagner
2025-02-12 15:57   ` Wolfgang Bumiller
2025-02-13 12:31     ` Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 08/25] metric collection: persist state after metric collection Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 09/25] metric collection: skip if last_collection < MIN_COLLECTION_INTERVAL Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 10/25] metric collection: collect overdue metrics on startup/timer change Lukas Wagner
2025-02-13  8:55   ` Wolfgang Bumiller
2025-02-13 13:50     ` Lukas Wagner
2025-02-13 14:19       ` Wolfgang Bumiller [this message]
2025-02-13 15:21         ` Lukas Wagner
2025-02-13 15:34           ` Wolfgang Bumiller
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 11/25] metric collection: add tests for the fetch_remotes function Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 12/25] metric collection: add test for fetch_overdue Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 13/25] metric collection: pass rrd cache instance as function parameter Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 14/25] metric collection: add test for rrd task Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 15/25] metric collection: wrap rrd_cache::Cache in a struct Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 16/25] metric collection: record remote response time in metric database Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 17/25] metric collection: save time needed for collection run to RRD Lukas Wagner
2025-02-13 11:53   ` Wolfgang Bumiller
2025-02-13 12:12     ` Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 18/25] metric collection: periodically clean removed remotes from statefile Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 19/25] api: add endpoint for updating metric collection settings Lukas Wagner
2025-02-13 12:09   ` Wolfgang Bumiller
2025-02-13 12:15     ` Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 20/25] api: add endpoint to trigger metric collection Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 21/25] api: remotes: trigger immediate metric collection for newly added nodes Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 22/25] api: add api for querying metric collection RRD data Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 23/25] api: metric-collection: add status endpoint Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 24/25] pdm-client: add metric collection API methods Lukas Wagner
2025-02-13 12:10   ` Wolfgang Bumiller
2025-02-13 13:52     ` Lukas Wagner
2025-02-11 12:05 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 25/25] cli: add commands for metric-collection settings, trigger, status Lukas Wagner
2025-02-13 12:14   ` Wolfgang Bumiller
2025-02-13 14:17     ` Lukas Wagner
2025-02-13 14:56       ` Wolfgang Bumiller
2025-02-13 14:58         ` Lukas Wagner
2025-02-13 15:11           ` Lukas Wagner
2025-02-14 13:08 ` [pdm-devel] [PATCH proxmox-datacenter-manager 00/25] metric collection improvements (concurrency, config, API, CLI) Lukas Wagner

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