Re: [PVE-User] Windows sever 2016 vm with very high ram usage

[Leandro Roggerone <leandro@tecnetmza.com.ar>]

Hi guys / Arjen.
My windows server performance is definitely  much better now ,
I will try more cpu combinations, and have last question regarding this ?
Is there some documentation about this ? how can I analize and choose my
cpu setting ?
About performances testing: Is there some recommended way to benchmark cpu
settings ?
Thanks guys for your help. (let me know if you came to mendoza ... I will
glad to invite you dinner).
Leandro.

El lun, 29 mar 2021 a las 11:47, Arjen via pve-user (<
pve-user@lists.proxmox.com>) escribió:

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> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 14:46:08 +0000
> Subject: Re: [PVE-User] Windows sever 2016 vm with very high ram usage
> On Monday, March 29th, 2021 at 16:30, Leandro Roggerone <
> leandro@tecnetmza.com.ar> wrote:
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> > Dear Arjen , nice data you provided , im trying it right now.
> >
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> > BTW , after installing virtIO drivers , memory usage looks ok on the
> >
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> > proxmox gui (very nice!).
> >
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> > Regarding CPU layout , I understood this:
> >
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> > I should use just one socket , so in my case would be 1socket x 6 cores ,
> >
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> > total 6 vCPUs.
> >
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> > If I notice that cpu usage goes high , lets suppose over 85% , I should
> add
> >
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> > a second socket and enable NUMA.
>
> That CPU has 12 threads (right?), so you can try up to 12 vCPUs. And
> select 'host' or a CPU type that is close to your physical CPU instead of
> the kvm64 default. Maybe enabling NUMA helps even with less virtual cores,
> just try it and compare performance. If you enable NUMA, choose the same
> number of virtual sockets as real sockets (=2). Remember that the amount of
> vCPUs is cores multiplied by the number of sockets. Maybe you can try 6x1
> or 3x2 or 12x1 or 6x2 and see which performs the best?
>
> > I will change ide for scsi as you suggested.
> >
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> > No problem if I need to re install OS.
>
> You can find the Windows drivers for VirtIO here:
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> https://fedorapeople.org/groups/virt/virtio-win/direct-downloads/archive-virtio/virtio-win-0.1.185-2/
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> > Regards.
> >
>
> > Leandro.
> >
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> > El lun, 29 mar 2021 a las 10:57, Arjen via pve-user (<
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> > pve-user@lists.proxmox.com>) escribió:
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> > > From: Arjen leesteken@protonmail.ch
> > >
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> > > To: Proxmox VE user list pve-user@lists.proxmox.com
> > >
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> > > Cc:
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> > > Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 13:56:59 +0000
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> > > Subject: Re: [PVE-User] Windows sever 2016 vm with very high ram usage
> > >
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> > > On Monday, March 29th, 2021 at 15:37, Leandro Roggerone <
> > >
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> > > leandro@tecnetmza.com.ar> wrote:
> > >
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> > > > Hi guys , thanks for your words , have some feedback:
> > >
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> > > > Maybe Proxmox cannot look inside the VM for the actual memory usage
> > > >
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> > > > because
> > >
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> > > > the VirtIO balloon driver is not installed or active? Or maybe the
> other
> > >
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> > > > 90% is in use as Windows file cache?
> > >
>
> > > > I think so ...
> > >
>
> > > > Dont know about windows file cache ...
> > >
>
> > > > Have you installed the VirtIO drivers for Windows? Are you assigning
> too
> > >
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> > > > many vCPUs or memory? Can you share the VM configuration file? Can
> you
> > > >
>
> > > > tell
> > >
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> > > > us something about your Proxmox hardware and version?
> > >
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> > > > No , I have not ... now you mentioned im reading about VirtIO , I
> will
> > > >
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> > > > try
> > >
>
> > > > to install and let you know how it goes
> > >
>
> > > > Should install it no my pve box or directly inside windows vm ?
> > >
>
> > > > I'm assigning max vCPUs abailables (24 , 4 sockets 6 cores) and 32gb
> for
> > >
>
> > > > memory.
> > >
>
> > > > (I really don't know about any criteria to assign vcpus)
> > >
>
> > > > This is VM config file:
> > >
>
> > > > root@pve:~# cat /etc/pve/nodes/pve/qemu-server/107.conf
> > >
>
> > > > bootdisk: ide0
> > >
>
> > > > cores: 6
> > >
>
> > > > ide0: local-lvm:vm-107-disk-0,size=150G
> > >
>
> > > > ide1: local-lvm:vm-107-disk-1,size=350G
> > >
>
> > > > ide2:
> > >
>
> > >
> local:iso/Windows_Server_2016_Datacenter_EVAL_en-us_14393_refresh.ISO,media=cdrom,size=6808810K
> > >
>
> > > > memory: 32768
> > >
>
> > > > name: KAIKENII
> > >
>
> > > > net0: e1000=1A:F1:10:BF:92:0A,bridge=vmbr3,firewall=1
> > >
>
> > > > numa: 0
> > >
>
> > > > ostype: win10
> > >
>
> > > > scsihw: virtio-scsi-pci
> > >
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> > > > smbios1: uuid=daf8f767-59c7-4e87-b3be-75d4a8020c38
> > >
>
> > > > sockets: 4
> > >
>
> > > > vmgenid: a7634624-1230-4a3e-9e7c-255d32ad2030
> > >
>
> > > > My PVE is:
> > >
>
> > > > CPU(s) 24 x Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5680 @ 3.33GHz (2 Sockets)
> > >
>
> > > > Kernel Version Linux 5.0.15-1-pve #1 SMP PVE 5.0.15-1 (Wed, 03 Jul
> 2019
> > >
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> > > > 10:51:57 +0200)
> > >
>
> > > > PVE Manager Version pve-manager/6.0-4/2a719255
> > >
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> > > > Total Mem = 64GB.
> > >
>
> > > > That's all.
> > >
>
> > > > Thanks
> > >
>
> > > You are using emulated IDE drives, which is very slow. Please install
> the
> > >
>
> > > VirtIO SCSI driver for Windows inside the VM and attach the disk with
> > >
>
> > > (vitual) scsi instead of ide. You might need to reinstall Windows to
> make
> > >
>
> > > it boot. Use the VirtIO virtual floppy to install the VirtIO SCSI
> driver
> > >
>
> > > when starting the Windows installation setup inside the VM.
> > >
>
> > > Use as little virtual cores and as little memory as is needed (or just
> a
> > >
>
> > > little more), this makes the VM run more smoothly. You systems has two
> > >
>
> > > sockets, so you might want to enable NUMA in the VM configuration,
> > >
>
> > > otherwise your VM memory access has to go to the other socket often,
> which
> > >
>
> > > is slow. Using just the cores from one of your CPU's (or less) will
> perform
> > >
>
> > > better than using all for the same reason of less communication between
> > >
>
> > > physical sockets.
> > >
>
> > > Currently, you have chosen all the slowest options to run this VM on
> your
> > >
>
> > > kind of system. Each of the steps above will increase performance. The
> > >
>
> > > VirtIO driver installation is the most work, but also gives the most
> > >
>
> > > performance increase. Selecting 'host' instead of kvm64 will also
> improve
> > >
>
> > > performance.
> > >
>
> > > kind regards, Arjen
> > >
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> > > > El vie, 26 mar 2021 a las 11:40, Arjen via pve-user (<
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> > > > > Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:39:13 +0000
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> > > > > Subject: Re: [PVE-User] Windows sever 2016 vm with very high ram
> usage
> > >
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> > > > > On Friday, March 26th, 2021 at 15:28, Leandro Roggerone <
> > >
>
> > > > > leandro@tecnetmza.com.ar> wrote:
> > >
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> > > > > > Hi guys , Just wanted to share this with you.
> > >
>
> > > > > > After creating a VM for a windows sever 2016 with 32 GB ram I can
> > >
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> > > > > > see continuos high memory usage (about 99-100%).
> > >
>
> > > > > > I have no running task , since it is a fresh server and from task
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > manager
> > >
>
> > > > > > can see a 10% of memory usage.
> > >
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> > > > > > Regarding those confusing differences, server performance is very
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > bad.
> > >
>
> > > > > Maybe Proxmox cannot look inside the VM for the actual memory usage
> > >
>
> > > > > because the VirtIO balloon driver is not installed or active? Or
> maybe
> > > > >
>
> > > > > the
> > >
>
> > > > > other 90% is in use as Windows file cache?
> > >
>
> > > > > > User experience is very poor with a non fluent user interface.
> > >
>
> > > > > > Is there something to do / check to improve this ?
> > >
>
> > > > > Have you installed the VirtIO drivers for Windows? Are you
> assigning
> > > > >
>
> > > > > too
> > >
>
> > > > > many vCPUs or memory? Can you share the VM configuration file? Can
> you
> > > > >
>
> > > > > tell
> > >
>
> > > > > us something about your Proxmox hardware and version?
> > >
>
> > > > > > Any advice would be welcome.
> > >
>
> > > > > Maybe search the forum for similar Windows performance questions?
> > >
>
> > >
> https://forum.proxmox.com/forums/proxmox-ve-installation-and-configuration.16/
> > >
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> > > > > > Thanks.
> > >
>
> > > > > best of luck, Arjen
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