Re: [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup 0/4] remote edit: error message ideas

[Dominik Csapak <d.csapak@proxmox.com>]

On 1/27/21 11:55 AM, Dominic Jäger wrote:
> Thanks for looking at it!
> 
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 11:34:54AM +0100, Dominik Csapak wrote:
>> when we have the error icon, we'd not need the asterisk,
>> since they both show the error
> We could theoretically show the asterisk without any color, just to symbolise
> "Required". But the error message shows this problem, too. So yes, it is
> redundant in some way.

ok

> 
>> or were they not intended to be applied together?
> It was intended to be applicable together, but only to easily show the
> possibilities together. Not because I absolutely want all of the patches to be
> applied.

make sense

> 
>> also, the generic tooltip does always show on the whole
>> element for me, so with either the asterisk or the
>> icon, i still get multiple tooltips over one another
> Same for me. But the error message should appear only if you hover over the
> asterisk or the symbol. This means
> 1. if you hover over the error symbol, the error message is above the generic
>     tooltip. Then you see what is wrong.
> 2. if you hover over the field, the error message vanishes and you see what you
>     are supposed to enter into the field.
> 
> Without msgTarget: side the error tooltip should also appear if you hover over
> the input field. Then you only see the generic tooltip when you hover over the
> label, which is a little less intuitive than 2., I think.

the problem is rather that multiple tooltips above each other is ugly
and looks like something is wrong with the ui, so i'd like
to avoid that if possible

>>
>> another problem is with the detection of the 'required'
>> error. while this may work on english, extjs
>> errors are also translated, though i noticed we do
>> not do this yet for pbs (for pve we do)
>> so filtering by 'required' cannot work for other languages
> Makes sense, I missed that.

as we discussed off-list, we could simply check
if the field is empty instead

>>
>> and last but not least:
>> would it not be possible to show the tooltip just on the
>> label?
>> e.g.:
>>
>> ---
>> fieldLabel: `<div qtip="sometext">${gettext('labeltext')}</div>'
>> ---
> I could not get this to work yet and I am not sure if it is possible?
> The "Remote" field has xtype pmxDisplayEditField

works here (with the correct attribute ;) ):
---
fieldLabel: `<span data-qtip="some tooltip text">${gettext("Label")}</span>`
---

but i noticed it's even easier to do:

---
labelAttrTpl: 'data-qtip="Some Tooltip Text"',
---

puts that into the attributes of the whole label

> 
>> Ext.define('Proxmox.form.field.DisplayEdit', {
>>      extend: 'Ext.form.FieldContainer',
>>      alias: 'widget.pmxDisplayEditField',
> 
> and then fieldLabel is just a String, no HTML?
> https://docs.sencha.com/extjs/6.0.1/classic/Ext.form.FieldContainer.html#cfg-fieldLabel
> 
>>
>> a little bit less intuitive, but should not create overlapping
>> tooltips
> This means we would have the same messages visible as currently?
> 1. Generic tool while hovering over label
> 2. Error message else (= hovering over field)

yes, but no overlapping tooltips

> 
>>
>> another alternative would be to add a displayfield below the
>> field with an explanation?
> Sounds good to me. Downside in comparison to tooltips would be limited amount
> of text for the hints?
> 

yeah pretty much

>>
>> or simply add a screenshot with a list of fields to the documentation?
> List of fields + what belongs into them? Isn't that quite much work to look up
> "just" to fill out a field?
> 

but the admin usually needs that info only the first (few) times.
after that it just takes up space