Re: [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox-backup 1/2] datastore: add tuning options for the number of reading threads

[Dominik Csapak <d.csapak@proxmox.com>]

On 5/2/24 14:22, Thomas Lamprecht wrote:
> subject should have s/reading/verification read/ and it's one option
> so singular please.

sure

> 
> On 30/04/2024 11:39, Dominik Csapak wrote:
>> adds a new 'read-threads' tuning options to datastores that control
>> how many threads are used for verification operations
>>
>> depending on the underlying storage and the used cpu, this can make a
>> big difference in verification time.
> 
> Not that I don't believe you, but actual numbers would be nice to have
> here ;-)

of course. i assumed that there would be a v2 anyway, so i sent it out without
doing any big benchmarks and the goal that maybe some other people could test
other setups besides what i have here

i'd include those benchmarks then in the commit message ofc

> 
>>
>> the default remains at the current 4 threads.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Dominik Csapak <d.csapak@proxmox.com>
>> ---
>>   pbs-api-types/src/datastore.rs |  9 +++++++++
>>   pbs-datastore/src/datastore.rs | 14 ++++++++++++++
>>   src/backup/verify.rs           |  2 +-
>>   www/Utils.js                   |  5 +++++
>>   www/datastore/OptionView.js    |  8 ++++++++
>>   5 files changed, 37 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/pbs-api-types/src/datastore.rs b/pbs-api-types/src/datastore.rs
>> index 31767417a..2ad2ae063 100644
>> --- a/pbs-api-types/src/datastore.rs
>> +++ b/pbs-api-types/src/datastore.rs
>> @@ -209,6 +209,13 @@ pub enum DatastoreFSyncLevel {
>>               type: ChunkOrder,
>>               optional: true,
>>           },
>> +        "read-threads": {
> 
> the name is confusing for users reading configs and devs reading the code
> using this, as one would expect that this is for all read operations, e.g.,
> backup restore or even GC. A API description can be great to clear up subtle
> things, but it should not be required to get the very basic understanding
> on what this is used for.
> 
> I'd rather have two different settings for this and the tape one, e.g.
> `verification-read-threads` and `tape-backup-read-threads`

yes that makes sense. i really should have reversed the patches as that was
what i was doing: improving tape backup and then noticing that we
hard coded the 4 verify threads.

> 
> What I'd even prefer more is not having this at all, but rather auto-determine
> it from the amount of cores and the disk types (and possibly its bus), e.g.:
> 
> - if hdd (/sys/block/sda/queue/rotational is 1) then always use one thread
> - if sdd then depending on thread count use 2 to 4 – for example, as pseudo
>    code calculate it through #threads/4.max(4).min(1)

we could do such a thing, but imho only as a default. I think there are
too many variables to consider to guess right for every setup.

E.g. the single thread for even a single spinning disk is super bad for the tape backup
(at least in my setup)

Also in some setups detecting the underlying storage configuration is impossible
e.g. behind a raid controller.

Also fabian mentioned off-list to me, that we cannot know how much resources
pbs should use of the host machine. E.g. if one regularly schedules multiple
verification/tape backup jobs in parallel.

> 
> Could be even better to have a pool per backing storage to reserve threads
> from, which is naturally more complex but the default behaviour should
> ideally be OK for most users, so IMO at least worth a good amount of
> consideration in how to makes this smarter per default – I could imagine
> that one might even get some hints from the kernel (IO) scheduler.

mhmm yeah i can look into that, it should not be that hard to have some
'maximum-tape-backup-threads' where each job 'borrows' some for each run.
Problem is what to do with jobs that start when all threads are used up?

> 
>> +            description: "Controls how many threads are used for reading from the datastore for verification.",
>> +            type: usize,
>> +            optional: true,
>> +            minimum: 1,
>> +            default: 4,
>> +        },
>>       },
>>   )]
>>   #[derive(Serialize, Deserialize, Default)]
>> @@ -220,6 +227,8 @@ pub struct DatastoreTuning {
>>       pub chunk_order: Option<ChunkOrder>,
>>       #[serde(skip_serializing_if = "Option::is_none")]
>>       pub sync_level: Option<DatastoreFSyncLevel>,
>> +    #[serde(skip_serializing_if = "Option::is_none")]
>> +    pub read_threads: Option<usize>,
>>   }
>>   
>>   pub const DATASTORE_TUNING_STRING_SCHEMA: Schema = StringSchema::new("Datastore tuning options")
>> diff --git a/pbs-datastore/src/datastore.rs b/pbs-datastore/src/datastore.rs
>> index f95da7615..2c23bd1f1 100644
>> --- a/pbs-datastore/src/datastore.rs
>> +++ b/pbs-datastore/src/datastore.rs
>> @@ -14,6 +14,7 @@ use proxmox_schema::ApiType;
>>   use proxmox_sys::error::SysError;
>>   use proxmox_sys::fs::{file_read_optional_string, replace_file, CreateOptions};
>>   use proxmox_sys::fs::{lock_dir_noblock, DirLockGuard};
>> +use proxmox_sys::linux::procfs::read_proc_stat;
>>   use proxmox_sys::process_locker::ProcessLockSharedGuard;
>>   use proxmox_sys::WorkerTaskContext;
>>   use proxmox_sys::{task_log, task_warn};
>> @@ -61,6 +62,7 @@ pub struct DataStoreImpl {
>>       chunk_order: ChunkOrder,
>>       last_digest: Option<[u8; 32]>,
>>       sync_level: DatastoreFSyncLevel,
>> +    read_threads: usize,
> 
> if we really add this I'd do so through a struct that impls default and added
> as something 'thread_limits' here, having a `verification`, `tape_read`, ...
> members.

sure

> 
>>   }
>>   
>>   impl DataStoreImpl {
>> @@ -75,6 +77,7 @@ impl DataStoreImpl {
>>               chunk_order: Default::default(),
>>               last_digest: None,
>>               sync_level: Default::default(),
>> +            read_threads: 0,
>>           })
>>       }
>>   }
>> @@ -313,6 +316,7 @@ impl DataStore {
>>               chunk_order: tuning.chunk_order.unwrap_or_default(),
>>               last_digest,
>>               sync_level: tuning.sync_level.unwrap_or_default(),
>> +            read_threads: tuning.read_threads.unwrap_or(4),
>>           })
>>       }
>>   
>> @@ -1377,6 +1381,16 @@ impl DataStore {
>>           Ok(())
>>       }
>>   
>> +    /// returns the number of read thread that should be used for operations
>> +    /// limits to the number of available cores (if reading from /proc/stat succeeds)
>> +    pub fn get_read_threads(&self) -> usize {
>> +        // if we cannot get the real cpu count, don't limit us
>> +        let core_count = read_proc_stat()
>> +            .map(|proc| proc.cpu_count as usize)
>> +            .unwrap_or(usize::max_value());
>> +        self.inner.read_threads.clamp(1, core_count)
>> +    }
>> +
>>       /// Destroy a datastore. This requires that there are no active operations on the datastore.
>>       ///
>>       /// This is a synchronous operation and should be run in a worker-thread.
>> diff --git a/src/backup/verify.rs b/src/backup/verify.rs
>> index c972e5328..4537dbdc9 100644
>> --- a/src/backup/verify.rs
>> +++ b/src/backup/verify.rs
>> @@ -125,7 +125,7 @@ fn verify_index_chunks(
>>   
>>       let decoder_pool = ParallelHandler::new(
>>           "verify chunk decoder",
>> -        4,
>> +        datastore2.get_read_threads(),
>>           move |(chunk, digest, size): (DataBlob, [u8; 32], u64)| {
>>               let chunk_crypt_mode = match chunk.crypt_mode() {
>>                   Err(err) => {
>> diff --git a/www/Utils.js b/www/Utils.js
>> index 1d7351a32..8fd102486 100644
>> --- a/www/Utils.js
>> +++ b/www/Utils.js
>> @@ -790,6 +790,11 @@ Ext.define('PBS.Utils', {
>>   	sync = PBS.Utils.tuningOptions['sync-level'][sync ?? '__default__'];
>>   	options.push(`${gettext('Sync Level')}: ${sync}`);
>>   
>> +	let readThreads = tuning['read-threads'];
>> +	delete tuning['read-threads'];
>> +	readThreads ??= Proxmox.Utils.defaultText + ` (4)`;
>> +	options.push(`${gettext('Read Threads')}: ${readThreads}`);
>> +
>>   	for (const [k, v] of Object.entries(tuning)) {
>>   	    options.push(`${k}: ${v}`);
>>   	}
>> diff --git a/www/datastore/OptionView.js b/www/datastore/OptionView.js
>> index e1f38af6f..ee90f1dca 100644
>> --- a/www/datastore/OptionView.js
>> +++ b/www/datastore/OptionView.js
>> @@ -271,6 +271,14 @@ Ext.define('PBS.Datastore.Options', {
>>   			    deleteEmpty: true,
>>   			    value: '__default__',
>>   			},
>> +			{
>> +			    xtype: 'proxmoxintegerfield',
>> +			    name: 'read-threads',
>> +			    fieldLabel: gettext('Read Threads'),
> 
> without any hint or tooltip this is just a completely confusingly
> option.. If it would be specialized for the actual different
> operations (now and future one)

ok

> 
>> +			    min: 0,
>> +			    emptyText: '4',
>> +			    deleteEmpty: true,
>> +			},
>>   		    ],
>>   		},
>>   	    },
> 



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