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From: "Fabian Grünbichler" <f.gruenbichler@proxmox.com>
To: "DERUMIER, Alexandre" <alexandre.derumier@groupe-cyllene.com>,
	Proxmox VE development discussion <pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com>
Subject: Re: [pve-devel] [RFC cluster/ha-manager 00/16] HA colocation rules
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2025 14:26:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1743682727.gqgq32pn8x.astroid@yuna.none> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <498c09ec-662b-451b-a4a8-0aa51bb575df@proxmox.com>

On April 1, 2025 11:39 am, Daniel Kral wrote:
> On 4/1/25 03:50, DERUMIER, Alexandre wrote:
>> Small feature request from students && customers:  they are a lot
>> asking to be able to use vm tags in the colocation/affinity
> 
> Good idea! We were thinking about this too and I forgot to add it to the 
> list, thanks for bringing it up again!
> 
> Yes, the idea would be to make pools and tags available as selectors for 
> rules here, so that the changes can be made rather dynamic by just 
> adding a tag to a service.
> 
> The only thing we have to consider here is that HA rules have some 
> verification phase and invalid rules will be dropped or modified to make 
> them applicable. Also these external changes must be identified somehow 
> in the HA stack, as I want to keep the amount of runs through the 
> verification code to a minimum, i.e. only when the configuration is 
> changed by the user. But that will be a discussion for another series ;).

something to also consider is HA permissions:

https://bugzilla.proxmox.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4597

e.g., who is supposed to define (affinity or other) rules, who sees
them, what if there are conflicts, ..

what about conflicting requests? let's say we have a set of 5 VMs that
should run on the same node, but one is requested to be migrated to node
A, and a second one to node B? if a user doesn't see the rules for lack
of privileges this could get rather confusing behaviour wise in the end?

what about things like VMs X and Y needing to run together, but Z not
being allowed to run together with Y, and user A that only "sees" X
requesting X to be migrated to the node where Z is currently running?


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-04-03 12:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-25 15:12 Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH cluster 1/1] cfs: add 'ha/rules.cfg' to observed files Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 01/15] ignore output of fence config tests in tree Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 17:49   ` [pve-devel] applied: " Thomas Lamprecht
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 02/15] tools: add hash set helper subroutines Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 17:53   ` Thomas Lamprecht
2025-04-03 12:16     ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-04-11 11:24       ` Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 03/15] usage: add get_service_node and pin_service_node methods Daniel Kral
2025-04-24 12:29   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-25  7:39     ` Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 04/15] add rules section config base plugin Daniel Kral
2025-04-24 13:03   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-25  8:29     ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-25  9:12       ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-25 13:30         ` Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 05/15] rules: add colocation rule plugin Daniel Kral
2025-04-03 12:16   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-04-11 11:04     ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-25 14:06       ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-29  8:37         ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-29  9:15           ` Fiona Ebner
2025-05-07  8:41             ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-25 14:05   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-29  8:44     ` Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 06/15] config, env, hw: add rules read and parse methods Daniel Kral
2025-04-25 14:11   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 07/15] manager: read and update rules config Daniel Kral
2025-04-25 14:30   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-29  8:04     ` Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 08/15] manager: factor out prioritized nodes in select_service_node Daniel Kral
2025-04-28 13:03   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 09/15] manager: apply colocation rules when selecting service nodes Daniel Kral
2025-04-03 12:17   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2025-04-11 15:56     ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-28 12:46       ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-29  9:07         ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-29  9:22           ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-28 12:26   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-28 14:33     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-29  9:39       ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-29  9:50     ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-30 11:09   ` Daniel Kral
2025-05-02  9:33     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-05-07  8:31       ` Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 10/15] sim: resources: add option to limit start and migrate tries to node Daniel Kral
2025-04-28 13:20   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 11/15] test: ha tester: add test cases for strict negative colocation rules Daniel Kral
2025-04-28 13:44   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 12/15] test: ha tester: add test cases for strict positive " Daniel Kral
2025-04-28 13:51   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-05-09 11:22     ` Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 13/15] test: ha tester: add test cases for loose " Daniel Kral
2025-04-28 14:44   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-05-09 11:20     ` Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 14/15] test: ha tester: add test cases in more complex scenarios Daniel Kral
2025-04-29  8:54   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-29  9:01   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-03-25 15:12 ` [pve-devel] [PATCH ha-manager 15/15] test: add test cases for rules config Daniel Kral
2025-03-25 16:47 ` [pve-devel] [RFC cluster/ha-manager 00/16] HA colocation rules Daniel Kral
2025-04-24 10:12   ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-01  1:50 ` DERUMIER, Alexandre
2025-04-01  9:39   ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-01 11:05     ` DERUMIER, Alexandre via pve-devel
2025-04-03 12:26     ` Fabian Grünbichler [this message]
2025-04-24 10:12     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-24 10:12 ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-25  8:36   ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-25 12:25     ` Fiona Ebner
2025-04-25 13:25       ` Daniel Kral
2025-04-25 13:58         ` Fiona Ebner

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