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[93.136.32.144]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q5sm3634252ejc.115.2022.02.07.04.42.43 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 07 Feb 2022 04:42:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 13:42:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.5.0 Content-Language: en-US To: Aaron Lauterer , Proxmox VE user list References: From: =?UTF-8?B?VG9uxI1pIFN0aXBpxI1ldmnEhw==?= In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SPAM-LEVEL: Spam detection results: 0 BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain DKIM_VALID_EF -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from envelope-from domain KAM_EU 0.5 Prevalent use of .eu in spam/malware NICE_REPLY_A -0.001 Looks like a legit reply (A) POISEN_SPAM_PILL 0.1 Meta: its spam POISEN_SPAM_PILL_1 0.1 random spam to be learned in bayes POISEN_SPAM_PILL_3 0.1 random spam to be learned in bayes RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001 Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001 SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record SPF_PASS -0.001 SPF: sender matches SPF record T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE -0.01 - Subject: Re: [PVE-User] PBS datastore X-BeenThere: pve-user@lists.proxmox.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Proxmox VE user list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2022 12:42:52 -0000 Yes, I'm aware of that too ... Obviously this's  not been  good-practice and you do not have any recommended models/types ? But they are very "practical" though :) srdačan pozdrav / best regards Tonči Stipičević, dipl. ing. elektr. direktor / manager SUMA Informatika d.o.o., Badalićeva 27, OIB 93926415263 Podrška / Upravljanje IT sustavima za male i srednje tvrtke Small & Medium Business IT Support / Management mob: 091 1234003 www.suma-informatika.hr On 07. 02. 2022. 13:36, Aaron Lauterer wrote: > > > On 2/7/22 12:24, Tonči Stipičević wrote: >> Thank you Aaron, >> >> this atribut "small" is blocking point ... like you said it is hard >> to find sata disk under 250G >> >> I was also thinking about 2 x sata-dom 32G/64G   for zfs boot ? Does >> it make any sense (performance/relayibilty-wise? > > SATA DOMs need to be considered carefully. If they can last long > enough, then why not. But if they are just cheap SSDs that will wear > out fast... well. > >> >> Ok , today I'm gonna install PBS on 4x2T (disks, not ssds) zfs raid10 >> and create one new dataset in /rpool  -> /rpool/databck    ...  So , >> the PBS itself and datastore will reside on the same pool ...  Then >> I'll make some copmarison tests (backup/restore)  and report back >> some relevant results ...  I'd like to avoid PBS on its own pool >> because this SuperMicro 721 case has only 4 disk slots , a additional >> ones (2) have to be connected directly to MB ... >> >> >> 'till then >> >> BR >> >> Tonci >> >> srdačan pozdrav / best regards >> >> Tonči Stipičević, dipl. ing. elektr. >> direktor / manager >> >> SUMA Informatika d.o.o., Badalićeva 27, OIB 93926415263 >> >> Podrška / Upravljanje IT sustavima za male i srednje tvrtke >> Small & Medium Business IT Support / Management >> >> mob: 091 1234003 >> www.suma-informatika.hr >> >> On 07. 02. 2022. 09:44, Aaron Lauterer wrote: >>> A PBS datastore is just a directory somewhere. >>> >>> If you set up the system on a RAID 10 and want to use that as well >>> for the datastore, I would create a new ZFS dataset for the >>> datastore. This allows you to change certain ZFS properties on that >>> dataset specifically. >>> >>> There are a few things to consider if you want to have the OS on the >>> same disks as the datastore. >>> How fast are the disks? HDDs or SSDs? >>> If they are HDDs, then having the OS on separate disks is a good >>> idea because HDDs will already be having a hard time to provide the >>> IOPS for decent performance. If they are *decent* SSDs, you should >>> be fine. >>> >>> No idea how easy it is to get stuff in Croatia, but this should give >>> you some ideas: >>> https://geizhals.eu/?cat=hdssd&xf=2028_256~4643_Power-Loss+Protection~4832_1~4836_2&sort=r >>> >>> 250 GiB is plenty of the OS, but anything smaller is hard to find or >>> of dubious quality ;) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Aaron >>> >>> >>> On 2/7/22 01:10, Tonči Stipičević wrote: >>>> I'm planning to use SUPERMICRO 721 box (4 x 2T sata) as PBS >>>> >>>> So, if I create zfs10 raid as boot drive , I have no more disks >>>> left for datastore, right ? >>>> >>>> BUT, is it possible to make directory on this / boot drive i.e. >>>> /mnt/datastore   and attach it as datastore ?   Is that a way-to-go >>>> and is there any disadvantages against separate 2 x 240g ssd as >>>> boot and 4 x 2T sata (zfs raid 10 ) for datastore? >>>> >>>> Actually I'ma having hard time finding 2 x 2,5" small  sata drives >>>> for boot .... >>>> >>>>    Thank you very much in advance >>>> >>>> BR >>>> >>>> Tonci >>>> >>>> srdačan pozdrav / best regards >>>> >>>> Tonči Stipičević, dipl. ing. elektr. >>>> direktor / manager >>>> >>>> SUMA Informatika d.o.o., Badalićeva 27, OIB 93926415263 >>>> >>>> Podrška / Upravljanje IT sustavima za male i srednje tvrtke >>>> Small & Medium Business IT Support / Management >>>> >>>> mob: 091 1234003 >>>> www.suma-informatika.hr >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> pve-user mailing list >>>> pve-user@lists.proxmox.com >>>> https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pve-user >>> >> >