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See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [geizhals.eu, proxmox.com, suma-informatika.hr] Subject: Re: [PVE-User] PBS datastore X-BeenThere: pve-user@lists.proxmox.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Proxmox VE user list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 12:53:09 -0000 On 2/7/22 13:42, Tonči Stipičević wrote: > Yes, I'm aware of that too ... > > Obviously this's  not been  good-practice and you do not have any recommended models/types ? No, I actually never used any, only looked into them a few times, but never found anything that I really liked. Another thing though that could work, especially with newer boards, are NVMEs in m.2 format. The last server boards that I looked into and eventually also bought, have m.2 NVME slots. > > But they are very "practical" though :) > > srdačan pozdrav / best regards > > Tonči Stipičević, dipl. ing. elektr. > direktor / manager > > SUMA Informatika d.o.o., Badalićeva 27, OIB 93926415263 > > Podrška / Upravljanje IT sustavima za male i srednje tvrtke > Small & Medium Business IT Support / Management > > mob: 091 1234003 > www.suma-informatika.hr > > On 07. 02. 2022. 13:36, Aaron Lauterer wrote: >> >> >> On 2/7/22 12:24, Tonči Stipičević wrote: >>> Thank you Aaron, >>> >>> this atribut "small" is blocking point ... like you said it is hard to find sata disk under 250G >>> >>> I was also thinking about 2 x sata-dom 32G/64G   for zfs boot ? Does it make any sense (performance/relayibilty-wise? >> >> SATA DOMs need to be considered carefully. If they can last long enough, then why not. But if they are just cheap SSDs that will wear out fast... well. >> >>> >>> Ok , today I'm gonna install PBS on 4x2T (disks, not ssds) zfs raid10 and create one new dataset in /rpool  -> /rpool/databck    ...  So , the PBS itself and datastore will reside on the same pool ...  Then I'll make some copmarison tests (backup/restore)  and report back some relevant results ...  I'd like to avoid PBS on its own pool because this SuperMicro 721 case has only 4 disk slots , a additional ones (2) have to be connected directly to MB ... >>> >>> >>> 'till then >>> >>> BR >>> >>> Tonci >>> >>> srdačan pozdrav / best regards >>> >>> Tonči Stipičević, dipl. ing. elektr. >>> direktor / manager >>> >>> SUMA Informatika d.o.o., Badalićeva 27, OIB 93926415263 >>> >>> Podrška / Upravljanje IT sustavima za male i srednje tvrtke >>> Small & Medium Business IT Support / Management >>> >>> mob: 091 1234003 >>> www.suma-informatika.hr >>> >>> On 07. 02. 2022. 09:44, Aaron Lauterer wrote: >>>> A PBS datastore is just a directory somewhere. >>>> >>>> If you set up the system on a RAID 10 and want to use that as well for the datastore, I would create a new ZFS dataset for the datastore. This allows you to change certain ZFS properties on that dataset specifically. >>>> >>>> There are a few things to consider if you want to have the OS on the same disks as the datastore. >>>> How fast are the disks? HDDs or SSDs? >>>> If they are HDDs, then having the OS on separate disks is a good idea because HDDs will already be having a hard time to provide the IOPS for decent performance. If they are *decent* SSDs, you should be fine. >>>> >>>> No idea how easy it is to get stuff in Croatia, but this should give you some ideas: https://geizhals.eu/?cat=hdssd&xf=2028_256~4643_Power-Loss+Protection~4832_1~4836_2&sort=r >>>> >>>> 250 GiB is plenty of the OS, but anything smaller is hard to find or of dubious quality ;) >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Aaron >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/7/22 01:10, Tonči Stipičević wrote: >>>>> I'm planning to use SUPERMICRO 721 box (4 x 2T sata) as PBS >>>>> >>>>> So, if I create zfs10 raid as boot drive , I have no more disks left for datastore, right ? >>>>> >>>>> BUT, is it possible to make directory on this / boot drive i.e. /mnt/datastore   and attach it as datastore ?   Is that a way-to-go and is there any disadvantages against separate 2 x 240g ssd as boot and 4 x 2T sata (zfs raid 10 ) for datastore? >>>>> >>>>> Actually I'ma having hard time finding 2 x 2,5" small  sata drives for boot .... >>>>> >>>>>    Thank you very much in advance >>>>> >>>>> BR >>>>> >>>>> Tonci >>>>> >>>>> srdačan pozdrav / best regards >>>>> >>>>> Tonči Stipičević, dipl. ing. elektr. >>>>> direktor / manager >>>>> >>>>> SUMA Informatika d.o.o., Badalićeva 27, OIB 93926415263 >>>>> >>>>> Podrška / Upravljanje IT sustavima za male i srednje tvrtke >>>>> Small & Medium Business IT Support / Management >>>>> >>>>> mob: 091 1234003 >>>>> www.suma-informatika.hr >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> pve-user mailing list >>>>> pve-user@lists.proxmox.com >>>>> https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pve-user >>>> >>> >> >