From: "DERUMIER, Alexandre via pve-devel" <pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com>
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Cc: "DERUMIER, Alexandre" <alexandre.derumier@groupe-cyllene.com>
Subject: Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH v3 qemu-server 11/11] qcow2: add external snapshot support
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 14:41:12 +0000 [thread overview]
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From: "DERUMIER, Alexandre" <alexandre.derumier@groupe-cyllene.com>
To: "pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com" <pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com>, "fabio.fantoni@m2r.biz" <fabio.fantoni@m2r.biz>, "f.gruenbichler@proxmox.com" <f.gruenbichler@proxmox.com>
Subject: Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH v3 qemu-server 11/11] qcow2: add external snapshot support
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 14:41:12 +0000
Message-ID: <33ac589275d2b53e3bdbd07ecd132b8cf5d8270f.camel@groupe-cyllene.com>
>>out of curiosity, besides the obvious cases where external snapshots
>>would be useful, i.e. on raw files and on lvm (not lvm-thin), what
>>other
>>cases would be useful given that they already have snapshot support
>>(qcow2 with the internal one, zfs, btrfs, lvm-thin etc)?
>>not having it on raw files I think would take away a lot of its
>>usefulness, but I could be wrong if there are uses I can't imagine,
>>maybe make something more possible with replicas and migrations? (I
>>haven't looked into it enough)
I think they could be use for remote replication with snapshot
export/import if storage don't support it (lvm-thin for example).
I'm planning to add pseudo-thin provisoniong too on lvm shared block.
(lvm smaller than the qcow2 format, with dynamic lvm size increase
through a proxmox special daemon )
Note that , for .raw support, it's still possible to add support later,
if user really want it.
Just keep it simple for a first version then add more feature over time
:)
Also, the target is really network storage (qcow2 on nfs/cifs , lvm +
qcow2 on SAN block), that's why I think that network latency also hide
the perf difference between qcow2 && raw.
For local storage, with super fast nvme, it don't make too much sense
to use qcow2. you can use zfs, lvm-thin,.. where internal snasphots are
working great :)
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