From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from firstgate.proxmox.com (firstgate.proxmox.com [212.224.123.68]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.proxmox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7237691F64 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2024 10:22:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from firstgate.proxmox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by firstgate.proxmox.com (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4F9E51EC4F for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2024 10:22:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from proxmox-new.maurer-it.com (proxmox-new.maurer-it.com [94.136.29.106]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by firstgate.proxmox.com (Proxmox) with ESMTPS for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2024 10:22:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from proxmox-new.maurer-it.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by proxmox-new.maurer-it.com (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 1C4D94852B for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2024 10:22:28 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 10:22:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US To: =?UTF-8?Q?Fabian_Gr=C3=BCnbichler?= , Proxmox VE development discussion , Dietmar Maurer References: <20240215125930.332593-1-f.ebner@proxmox.com> <1493288684.2675.1708021251418@webmail.proxmox.com> <85222ee0-d673-492f-8255-5a35dc071659@proxmox.com> <2075831089.2735.1708074117703@webmail.proxmox.com> From: Fiona Ebner In-Reply-To: <2075831089.2735.1708074117703@webmail.proxmox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SPAM-LEVEL: Spam detection results: 0 AWL -0.072 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DMARC_MISSING 0.1 Missing DMARC policy KAM_DMARC_STATUS 0.01 Test Rule for DKIM or SPF Failure with Strict Alignment SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001 SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record SPF_PASS -0.001 SPF: sender matches SPF record T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE -0.01 - URIBL_BLOCKED 0.001 ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [wikipedia.org] Subject: Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH manager] ui: node: system: avoid using 'Syslog' X-BeenThere: pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Proxmox VE development discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 09:22:59 -0000 Am 16.02.24 um 10:01 schrieb Fabian Grünbichler: > >> Fiona Ebner hat am 16.02.2024 09:29 CET geschrieben: >> Am 15.02.24 um 19:20 schrieb Dietmar Maurer: >>>> The information gathered by the API call comes from the systemd >>>> journal. While 'Syslog' could be interpreted as a shorthand for >>>> "System Log", it's better to be explicit to avoid any confusion. >>> >>>> - title: 'Syslog', >>>> + title: gettext('System Log'), >>> >>> From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syslog >>> >>>> In computing, syslog /ˈsɪslɒɡ/ is a standard for message logging. >>> >> >> As discussed off-list with Dietmar, the argument is that the messages >> are exactly those that are recorded via the syslog standard/mechanism. >> So "Syslog" is more precise in that sense, because "System Log" doesn't >> capture that fact and I'm retracting my patch. > > while I don't mind (at all!) that that part of the UI/API is labelled syslog (I don't think it's hard to understand that it gives you the system logs of that node, and "syslog" is a bit like "Kleenex" in that regard ;)) - I do have to disagree here ;) journald does a lot more than just collecting syslog(3) messages - it also collects stdout/stderr of systemd-managed services (unless configured in a non-default fashion), messages explicitly sent to it over its own interface (like those by systemd ;)), and messages from the kernel (like dmesg), including the audit subsystem.. Oh right, so "Syslog" is not actually more precise. Please consider the patch open again. Of course, we could alternatively use "Systemd Journal" without gettext().