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[proxmox.com] Subject: Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH docs] qm, vzdump: add notes regarding backups of windows and VSS X-BeenThere: pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Proxmox VE development discussion <pve-devel.lists.proxmox.com> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/options/pve-devel>, <mailto:pve-devel-request@lists.proxmox.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.proxmox.com/pipermail/pve-devel/> List-Post: <mailto:pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com> List-Help: <mailto:pve-devel-request@lists.proxmox.com?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pve-devel>, <mailto:pve-devel-request@lists.proxmox.com?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Proxmox VE development discussion <pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: pve-devel-bounces@lists.proxmox.com Sender: "pve-devel" <pve-devel-bounces@lists.proxmox.com> On Mon Jan 20, 2025 at 3:35 PM CET, Aaron Lauterer wrote: > VSS in windows guests with additional backup software in the guest can > cause problems. By now the guest agent does support to use a different > VSS option. This way, one can switch to one that does not interfere with > other backup solutions. > > Mention it in the docs and link to the wiki article that explains it. > > Signed-off-by: Aaron Lauterer <a.lauterer@proxmox.com> > --- Two formatting suggestions inline, otherwise consider this: Reviewed-by: Alexander Zeidler <a.zeidler@proxmox.com> > qm.adoc | 13 +++++++++---- > vzdump.adoc | 4 ++++ > 2 files changed, 13 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/qm.adoc b/qm.adoc > index 4bb8f2c..660047a 100644 > --- a/qm.adoc > +++ b/qm.adoc > @@ -1355,14 +1355,19 @@ that calling 'fs-freeze' with some SQL Servers triggers VSS to call the SQL > Writer VSS module in a mode that breaks the SQL Server backup chain for > differential backups. > > -For such setups you can configure {pve} to not issue a freeze-and-thaw cycle on > +There are two options on how to handle such a situation. > + > +1. Configure the QEMU Guest Agent to use a different VSS variant that does not > +interfere with other VSS users. The https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/VM_Backup_Consistency[{pve} wiki] > +has more details. > +2. Alternatively, you can configure {pve} to not issue a freeze-and-thaw cycle on > backup by setting the `freeze-fs-on-backup` QGA option to `0`. This can also be > done via the GUI with the 'Freeze/thaw guest filesystems on backup for > consistency' option. > > -IMPORTANT: Disabling this option can potentially lead to backups with inconsistent > -filesystems and should therefore only be disabled if you know what you are > -doing. > +IMPORTANT: Disabling this option can potentially lead to backups with > +inconsistent filesystems. Therefore, adapting the QEMU Guest Agent > +configuration in the guest is the preferred option. Since there is now a numbered list, it may make sense to move the modified "Important" admonition to option 2 (so indented). > > Troubleshooting > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > diff --git a/vzdump.adoc b/vzdump.adoc > index aecb353..0708d07 100644 > --- a/vzdump.adoc > +++ b/vzdump.adoc > @@ -96,6 +96,10 @@ a background QEMU process, a stopped VM will appear as running for a > short amount of time while the VM disks are being read by QEMU. > However the VM itself is not booted, only its disk(s) are read. > > +NOTE: On Windows guests it is necessary to configure the guest agent if another > +backup software is used within the guest. See xref:qm_qga_fsfreeze[Freeze & Thaw] > +in the guest agent section for more details. For me it seems more appropriate to put the new note under "snapshot mode" (so indented), since it is only relevant there. > + > .Backup modes for Containers: > > `stop` mode:: _______________________________________________ pve-devel mailing list pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pve-devel