From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from firstgate.proxmox.com (firstgate.proxmox.com [212.224.123.68]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by lists.proxmox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2AEA91BFA for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:56:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from firstgate.proxmox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by firstgate.proxmox.com (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 9725B1D673 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:56:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from proxmox-new.maurer-it.com (proxmox-new.maurer-it.com [94.136.29.106]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by firstgate.proxmox.com (Proxmox) with ESMTPS for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:56:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from proxmox-new.maurer-it.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by proxmox-new.maurer-it.com (Proxmox) with ESMTP id D24354852A for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:56:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <97da09f7-0843-4c60-8e34-938abc9ee1ac@proxmox.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:56:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: Dietmar Maurer , Proxmox VE development discussion References: <20240215125930.332593-1-f.ebner@proxmox.com> <1493288684.2675.1708021251418@webmail.proxmox.com> Content-Language: en-US From: Fiona Ebner In-Reply-To: <1493288684.2675.1708021251418@webmail.proxmox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SPAM-LEVEL: Spam detection results: 0 AWL -0.072 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DMARC_MISSING 0.1 Missing DMARC policy KAM_DMARC_STATUS 0.01 Test Rule for DKIM or SPF Failure with Strict Alignment SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001 SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record SPF_PASS -0.001 SPF: sender matches SPF record T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE -0.01 - URIBL_BLOCKED 0.001 ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [wikipedia.org] Subject: Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH manager] ui: node: system: avoid using 'Syslog' X-BeenThere: pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Proxmox VE development discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 07:56:56 -0000 Am 15.02.24 um 19:20 schrieb Dietmar Maurer: >> The information gathered by the API call comes from the systemd >> journal. While 'Syslog' could be interpreted as a shorthand for >> "System Log", it's better to be explicit to avoid any confusion. > >> - title: 'Syslog', >> + title: gettext('System Log'), > > From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syslog > >> In computing, syslog /ˈsɪslɒɡ/ is a standard for message logging. > > IMHO, it is a commonly used technical term, and that is why we > do not even translate it. Every reasonable admin known what is meant! > > With your change: > > - title: 'Syslog', > + title: gettext('System Log'), > > we now need to translate "System Log" to >20 different languages, > and I am quite sure those translation makes it less clear what > it actually refers to. A lot of people will associate "Syslog" with /var/log/syslog which just isn't there by default for new PVE 8 installations. I don't see how translation would be an issue at all. It's the "System log"/"System's log"/"Log of the system" which surely can be expressed naturally in different languages too.