From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from firstgate.proxmox.com (firstgate.proxmox.com [212.224.123.68]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by lists.proxmox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8F8A91C57 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2024 10:02:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from firstgate.proxmox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by firstgate.proxmox.com (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 997C41E0AD for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2024 10:02:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from proxmox-new.maurer-it.com (proxmox-new.maurer-it.com [94.136.29.106]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by firstgate.proxmox.com (Proxmox) with ESMTPS for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2024 10:01:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from proxmox-new.maurer-it.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by proxmox-new.maurer-it.com (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 9BEB748502 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2024 10:01:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 10:01:57 +0100 (CET) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Fabian_Gr=C3=BCnbichler?= To: Proxmox VE development discussion , Fiona Ebner , Dietmar Maurer Message-ID: <2075831089.2735.1708074117703@webmail.proxmox.com> In-Reply-To: <85222ee0-d673-492f-8255-5a35dc071659@proxmox.com> References: <20240215125930.332593-1-f.ebner@proxmox.com> <1493288684.2675.1708021251418@webmail.proxmox.com> <85222ee0-d673-492f-8255-5a35dc071659@proxmox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.10.6-Rev59 X-Originating-Client: open-xchange-appsuite X-SPAM-LEVEL: Spam detection results: 0 AWL 0.066 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DMARC_MISSING 0.1 Missing DMARC policy KAM_DMARC_STATUS 0.01 Test Rule for DKIM or SPF Failure with Strict Alignment SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001 SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record SPF_PASS -0.001 SPF: sender matches SPF record T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE -0.01 - URIBL_BLOCKED 0.001 ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [wikipedia.org] Subject: Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH manager] ui: node: system: avoid using 'Syslog' X-BeenThere: pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Proxmox VE development discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 09:02:32 -0000 > Fiona Ebner hat am 16.02.2024 09:29 CET geschrieben= : > Am 15.02.24 um 19:20 schrieb Dietmar Maurer: > >> The information gathered by the API call comes from the systemd > >> journal. While 'Syslog' could be interpreted as a shorthand for > >> "System Log", it's better to be explicit to avoid any confusion. > >=20 > >> -=09=09title: 'Syslog', > >> +=09=09title: gettext('System Log'), > >=20 > > From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syslog > >=20 > >> In computing, syslog /=CB=88s=C9=AAsl=C9=92=C9=A1/ is a standard for m= essage logging. > >=20 >=20 > As discussed off-list with Dietmar, the argument is that the messages > are exactly those that are recorded via the syslog standard/mechanism. > So "Syslog" is more precise in that sense, because "System Log" doesn't > capture that fact and I'm retracting my patch. while I don't mind (at all!) that that part of the UI/API is labelled syslo= g (I don't think it's hard to understand that it gives you the system logs = of that node, and "syslog" is a bit like "Kleenex" in that regard ;)) - I d= o have to disagree here ;) journald does a lot more than just collecting sy= slog(3) messages - it also collects stdout/stderr of systemd-managed servic= es (unless configured in a non-default fashion), messages explicitly sent t= o it over its own interface (like those by systemd ;)), and messages from t= he kernel (like dmesg), including the audit subsystem..