From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from firstgate.proxmox.com (firstgate.proxmox.com [212.224.123.68]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.proxmox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 959EBA09D0 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2023 13:16:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from firstgate.proxmox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by firstgate.proxmox.com (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 7052614588 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2023 13:16:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from proxmox-new.maurer-it.com (proxmox-new.maurer-it.com [94.136.29.106]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by firstgate.proxmox.com (Proxmox) with ESMTPS for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2023 13:16:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from proxmox-new.maurer-it.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by proxmox-new.maurer-it.com (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 3137447748 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2023 13:16:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2023 13:16:21 +0100 (CET) From: Dietmar Maurer To: Lukas Wagner , Proxmox VE development discussion Message-ID: <131553887.2107.1699532181548@webmail.proxmox.com> In-Reply-To: <79543f3b-51ad-48a2-8a04-b5404ba1ed28@proxmox.com> References: <20231108154005.895814-1-l.wagner@proxmox.com> <755369602.1858.1699458751179@webmail.proxmox.com> <79543f3b-51ad-48a2-8a04-b5404ba1ed28@proxmox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.10.6-Rev54 X-Originating-Client: open-xchange-appsuite X-SPAM-LEVEL: Spam detection results: 0 AWL 0.375 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DMARC_MISSING 0.1 Missing DMARC policy KAM_DMARC_STATUS 0.01 Test Rule for DKIM or SPF Failure with Strict Alignment SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001 SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record SPF_PASS -0.001 SPF: sender matches SPF record T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE -0.01 - Subject: Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH v4 many 00/11] notifications: add SMTP endpoint X-BeenThere: pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Proxmox VE development discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2023 12:16:53 -0000 > On 11/8/23 16:52, Dietmar Maurer wrote: > >> This patch series adds support for a new notification endpoint type, > >> smtp. As the name suggests, this new endpoint allows PVE to talk > >> to SMTP server directly, without using the system's MTA (postfix). > > > > Isn't this totally unreliable? What if the server responds with a > > temporary error code? (An MTA retries several times). > > The notification system has no mechanism yet for queuing/retries, > so yes, at the moment a SMTP endpoint would indeed be less reliable than > a 'sendmail' endpoint. I'm not sure though if I would call it > 'totally unreliable'. This kind of notification system is quite popular for (PHP) web-sites contact form. I have seen many over-simplified implementation overs the years, and yes, it is totally unreliable. That is why we always used an MTA to deliver mails...