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[job.store] Subject: Re: [pbs-devel] applied-series: [PATCH proxmox-backup v3 00/10] notifications: cleanup in preparation of overridable templates X-BeenThere: pbs-devel@lists.proxmox.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Proxmox Backup Server development discussion <pbs-devel.lists.proxmox.com> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/options/pbs-devel>, <mailto:pbs-devel-request@lists.proxmox.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.proxmox.com/pipermail/pbs-devel/> List-Post: <mailto:pbs-devel@lists.proxmox.com> List-Help: <mailto:pbs-devel-request@lists.proxmox.com?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs-devel>, <mailto:pbs-devel-request@lists.proxmox.com?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Proxmox Backup Server development discussion <pbs-devel@lists.proxmox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: pbs-devel-bounces@lists.proxmox.com Sender: "pbs-devel" <pbs-devel-bounces@lists.proxmox.com> On 2025-04-02 14:45, Thomas Lamprecht wrote: > Am 28.03.25 um 11:22 schrieb Lukas Wagner:> When the notification system was brought to PBS, the template strings >> were moved to the template files as they were, without any changes. >> The original templates were an implementation detail which were not >> exposed to the user in any way. >> They were bit inconsistent with regards to how template variables were >> named (e.g. '{{datastore}}', '{{store}}', '{{job.store}}' for >> referring to a datastore), as well es how variables/helpers >> were accessed ({{ var }} vs {{var}}). >> >> With [#6143] on the horizon, notification templates, template variables >> and template helpers become part of our public API and as such >> we should provide some stability guarantees for them. > > Series seems alright to me, I'm just wondering a bit how that guarantee > will look like? But probably better part of the series that is actually > implementing [#6143]. I would suggest: - no backward-incompatible changes in minor upgrades - for breaking changes in major upgrades, implement some best-effort checks in pbsXtoY/pveXtoY which check any custom templates for anything that will be changed/removed Incompatible changes are: - removing variables - changing type/representation of variables (e.g. switching from number of bytes to KiB, etc.) - removing helpers - non-trivial changes to a helper's behavior - incompatible changes to the rendering engine (e.g. switching from Handlebars to something else) Backward-compatible changes would be: - adding new template variables - adding new template helpers - adding new, optional parameters to existing helpers - trivial changes to helpers (hypothetical example: "1KiB" -> "1 KiB" for `{{ human-bytes 1024 }}`) What do you think? -- - Lukas _______________________________________________ pbs-devel mailing list pbs-devel@lists.proxmox.com https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs-devel