From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <pbs-devel-bounces@lists.proxmox.com> Received: from firstgate.proxmox.com (firstgate.proxmox.com [IPv6:2a01:7e0:0:424::9]) by lore.proxmox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78F0A1FF15F for <inbox@lore.proxmox.com>; Mon, 2 Dec 2024 13:21:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from firstgate.proxmox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by firstgate.proxmox.com (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 03371169FA; Mon, 2 Dec 2024 13:21:20 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2024 13:21:16 +0100 Message-Id: <D617LA7NM4KD.3TKPSY45WWDRD@proxmox.com> From: "Shannon Sterz" <s.sterz@proxmox.com> To: "Lukas Wagner" <l.wagner@proxmox.com>, "Proxmox Backup Server development discussion" <pbs-devel@lists.proxmox.com> X-Mailer: aerc 0.18.2-0-ge037c095a049-dirty References: <20241129105321.143877-1-s.sterz@proxmox.com> <47c2f30e-1676-4acf-a55e-ba2b55660eb6@proxmox.com> <D615X0MIPMMY.3JB37Q4Q4W897@proxmox.com> <7c1af4a8-acc4-432a-bf5f-6a02d9aad915@proxmox.com> In-Reply-To: <7c1af4a8-acc4-432a-bf5f-6a02d9aad915@proxmox.com> X-SPAM-LEVEL: Spam detection results: 0 AWL -0.038 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DMARC_MISSING 0.1 Missing DMARC policy KAM_DMARC_STATUS 0.01 Test Rule for DKIM or SPF Failure with Strict Alignment SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001 SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record SPF_PASS -0.001 SPF: sender matches SPF record Subject: Re: [pbs-devel] [PATCH proxmox 1/4] sendmail: add sendmail crate X-BeenThere: pbs-devel@lists.proxmox.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Proxmox Backup Server development discussion <pbs-devel.lists.proxmox.com> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/options/pbs-devel>, <mailto:pbs-devel-request@lists.proxmox.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.proxmox.com/pipermail/pbs-devel/> List-Post: <mailto:pbs-devel@lists.proxmox.com> List-Help: <mailto:pbs-devel-request@lists.proxmox.com?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs-devel>, <mailto:pbs-devel-request@lists.proxmox.com?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Proxmox Backup Server development discussion <pbs-devel@lists.proxmox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: pbs-devel-bounces@lists.proxmox.com Sender: "pbs-devel" <pbs-devel-bounces@lists.proxmox.com> On Mon Dec 2, 2024 at 1:11 PM CET, Lukas Wagner wrote: > On 2024-12-02 12:02, Shannon Sterz wrote: > >> In the most common case, a notification mail might go to the members of an infra team of > >> a organization, where the identities of other team members is not really sensitive information. > >> I'd actually go as far and say that the info "who else was notified" is actually quite valuable > >> and useful to have. > >> > >> Then again, I can see the benefits of masking, e.g. in the case of PBS datastore notifications, > >> which might go to non-admin users (e.g. when PBS is offered as a service a la Tuxis). > >> > >> I don't care that much whether this is opt-in or opt-out at the crate level, but at the > >> 'sendmail target' level I'd make this configurable and opt-in (gut feeling and to not > >> change the current behavior, I'd be happy to be convinced for another way :) ) > >> > >> What are your thoughts about this? > > > > making this configurable sounds reasonable to me. i'd tend towards > > making the masking opt-out, though. at least on a crate level. my > > use-case for this crate is to send mails to all participants of a > > training, so there disclosing the mail addresses of other participants > > could be really bad (even legally actionable, afaict). i can see the > > value of this information in a notification scenario. however, i think > > the implications of forgetting to disclose this in some scenarios is > > much less detrimental than doing so in scenarios where we don't want to > > disclose them. > > > > I don't think we have to decide it for proxmox-notify's targets now. > I'd suggest making masking default at the crate level with some way to disable it in the > builder. In proxmox-notify, I'd opt-out for now to keep the current behavior. > In the future we can easily add configuration parameter to the sendmail target config to > configure this; then we can also reevaluate what a sane default would be at the target level. > At the same time we can add the same behavior to smtp targets then so that > the behavior is consistent with the sendmail target. yup, that sounds sensible and is what i am currently work on, will send a v2 later today. _______________________________________________ pbs-devel mailing list pbs-devel@lists.proxmox.com https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs-devel