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See https://knowledge.validity.com/hc/en-us/articles/20961730681243 for more information. RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED 0.001 ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to Validity was blocked. See https://knowledge.validity.com/hc/en-us/articles/20961730681243 for more information. RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED 0.001 ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to Validity was blocked. See https://knowledge.validity.com/hc/en-us/articles/20961730681243 for more information. SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001 SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record SPF_PASS -0.001 SPF: sender matches SPF record Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 Hi Dominik, For now the best course of action would be to post a message on our forums = (forums.veeam.com) in this subsection: https://forums.veeam.com/kvm-rhv-olvm-proxmox-f62/ I am in the process of arranging some external bug-tracker (we don't have o= ne right now). If you have any preferences please let me know. As for the question about how we work with QEMU - let me find an answer and= I will get back to you shortly. Thanks! From: Andreas Neufert <Andreas.Neufert@veeam.com> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2024 10:40 To: Dominik Csapak; Proxmox VE development discussion; Pavel Tide Subject: Re: [pve-devel] [Veeam] Veeam change requests? Hi Dominik, thanks for your input and feedback. I CC @Pavel Tide<mailto:Pavel.TIde@veeam.com>, who can answer the code ques= tions. For the support. Veeam customers can open a support case at https://support= .veeam.com<https://support.veeam.com/> I would like to ask the PVE group to do the same when you identify a bug an= d select the evaluation product choice from the dropdown. Then please send me or Pavel the support ticket number so that we can route= the ticket differently (out of evaluation support). The advantage of using the Veeam support portal is that you can upload logs= , and we can share fixes with you for testing or similar things. To start the support ticket with the evaluation product selection, you need= to create a free account on veeam.com If nothing works, Pavel and I can help directly (send mail). We also monito= r this list for Veeam issues and questions. Best regards... Andreas From: Dominik Csapak <d.csapak@proxmox.com<mailto:d.csapak@proxmox.com>> Date: Thursday, 19. September 2024 at 09:59 To: Proxmox VE development discussion <pve-devel@lists.proxmox.com<mailto:p= ve-devel@lists.proxmox.com>> Cc: Andreas Neufert <Andreas.Neufert@veeam.com<mailto:Andreas.Neufert@veeam= .com>> Subject: Re: [pve-devel] [Veeam] Veeam change requests? This is the first time you've received an email from this sender d.csapak @= proxmox.com, please exercise caution when clicking on links or opening att= achments. On 9/17/24 09:20, Andreas Neufert via pve-devel wrote: > > Hi Proxmox Dev team, > Hi, > Tim Marx mentioned that you have some insights and change wishes for the = Veeam backup processing and that we should reach out to this list. We would= be happy to get this feedback here to be able to address it in our code or= join a call if this helps. Thanks for reaching out! During (very basic & short) testing, i discovered a few things that are pro= blematic from our point of view: * During backup, there is often a longer running connection open to our QMP= socket of running VMs (/var/run/qemu-server/XXXX.qmp, where XXXX is the vmid). This blocks our ma= nagement stack from doing certain tasks, like start/stop (probably does not matter during backu= p) but also things like the VNC console, etc. a better way would be to close the connections as soon as possible instead = of keeping them open. (Alternatively using our API/CLI could also be done, but I don't know= what exact QMP commands you're running) if you absolutely need a longer running socket, please open a bug report on https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fbugzill= a.proxmox.com%2F&data=3D05%7C02%7CAndreas.Neufert%40veeam.com%7C32edd9e9d40= 34ac3e8f308dcd880fbd1%7Cba07baab431b49edadd7cbc3542f5140%7C1%7C0%7C63862329= 5714596487%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJB= TiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3DSF75C1yogf8n9EPMYzwv%2BSFRD= x2Y0%2BSruqkgF%2FuDcQU%3D&reserved=3D0<https://bugzilla.proxmox.com/> so we= can discuss and track that there, how we could make a socket available that is not used by our stack * Another thing that I noticed was that it's not really visible if a backup= is running for a particular VM, so users might accidentally them down (or pause, etc.)= . Especially i think it's bad if the VM is placed under a HA policy that has 'stopped' a= s target, as that will try to stop the VM by itself. (Though this might be a configurati= on error in itself?) A quick way to fix this would be to have a (custom) lock in our VMs. For lo= nger running tasks that block a guest, we have a line 'lock: XXXX' in the config that prevents= our stack from doing most operations. Putting that in would be a very short call to our perl code that locks the = config locally ( `PVE::QemuConfig->lock_config($vmid, $updatefn) ), checks for existing lo= cks, updates the config with a new (custom) lock and writes it again. Though i must admit, I'm not sure if custom locks outside of our defined on= es would work, but I'm sure we could add a 'custom' lock that you could use, should my men= tioned approach not work properly. * Also, I noticed that when a guest is started from your stack, you modify = the QEMU command line a bit, namely removing some options that would be necessary to start the VM d= uring the backup. Is there a specific reason why you do it this way, instead of starting the = VM through our API/CLI? A more general question last: What is the process for our/your users and us= if they/we find a bug? Where can they be reported to you? 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