From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <nada@verdnatura.es> Received: from firstgate.proxmox.com (firstgate.proxmox.com [212.224.123.68]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by lists.proxmox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9C157104F for <pve-user@lists.proxmox.com>; Wed, 8 Sep 2021 11:32:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from firstgate.proxmox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by firstgate.proxmox.com (Proxmox) with ESMTP id B293B23B45 for <pve-user@lists.proxmox.com>; Wed, 8 Sep 2021 11:32:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip1-isp1-algemesi.verdnatura.es (ip1-isp1-algemesi.verdnatura.es [195.77.191.178]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by firstgate.proxmox.com (Proxmox) with ESMTPS id C388A23B34 for <pve-user@lists.proxmox.com>; Wed, 8 Sep 2021 11:32:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ip1-isp1-algemesi.verdnatura.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77E3A0096 for <pve-user@lists.proxmox.com>; Wed, 8 Sep 2021 11:25:58 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at verdnatura.es Received: from ip1-isp1-algemesi.verdnatura.es ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (silla1.verdnatura.es [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7nihSUBIg9YA; Wed, 8 Sep 2021 11:25:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail.verdnatura.es (swarm-worker1.static.verdnatura.es [10.0.2.68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ip1-isp1-algemesi.verdnatura.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8A148A0090; Wed, 8 Sep 2021 11:25:58 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2021 11:25:58 +0200 From: nada <nada@verdnatura.es> To: Proxmox VE user list <pve-user@lists.proxmox.com> In-Reply-To: <CABMULt+s5D-BODXQYoRF9sE2_cS1ZB7hG+c-M-D9=+iLf=6XMg@mail.gmail.com> References: <CABMULt+s5D-BODXQYoRF9sE2_cS1ZB7hG+c-M-D9=+iLf=6XMg@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4.2 Message-ID: <99b82feffbce274c20bfefb18e41efd8@verdnatura.es> X-Sender: nada@verdnatura.es X-SPAM-LEVEL: Spam detection results: 0 AWL -0.104 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% KAM_DMARC_STATUS 0.01 Test Rule for DKIM or SPF Failure with Strict Alignment SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001 SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record SPF_PASS -0.001 SPF: sender matches SPF record Subject: Re: [PVE-User] VM storage and replication X-BeenThere: pve-user@lists.proxmox.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Proxmox VE user list <pve-user.lists.proxmox.com> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/options/pve-user>, <mailto:pve-user-request@lists.proxmox.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.proxmox.com/pipermail/pve-user/> List-Post: <mailto:pve-user@lists.proxmox.com> List-Help: <mailto:pve-user-request@lists.proxmox.com?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pve-user>, <mailto:pve-user-request@lists.proxmox.com?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2021 09:32:51 -0000 hi Alex in case you have a limited budget now you may do backups local backups but it is not recommended by some cheap NAS ASAP temporal solution: 1. create some filesystem LVM/ext4 @node1 and mount at /mnt/backup 2. install NFS server @node1 and export /mnt/backup to node2 3. install NFS client @node2 and create mountpoint /mnt/backup 4. edit fstab @node2 example node1:/mnt/backup /mnt/backup nfs defaults,noatime,bg 0 2 5. mount /mnt/backup 6. add directory to your proxmox storage via webGUI or add to /etc/pve/storage.cfg example dir: backup path /mnt/backup content vztmpl,backup,iso after this you will have backups accessible at both nodes hope it will help you Nada On 2021-09-08 10:05, Alex K wrote: > Hi all, > > I have setup a dual server setup, with latest proxmox v7.x. Each host > with > its own local storage. No shared storage (CEPH, GlusterFS). > > I understand I can have VMs hosted on top LVM with qcow2 disk images or > on > top thin LVM as raw thin LVM volumes. On both cases I still keep the > option > to be able to perform VM backups. Which one is the preferred way > according > to your experience? I will try to do some quick tests on the IO > performance > between the two. > > Also, I was thinking to replicate the VMs from one host to the other. I > understand that for the Proxmox integrated replication feature I need > ZFS > backed storage. As I am not much into ZFS, although I really enjoy > FreeNAS > and its great features and will definitely look into it later, I was > thinking to prepare a custom script that would snapshot the LVM volumes > where the VM images reside and sync the VM disks from one host to the > other, using rsync, just for a local copy of them. Of course I will > take > care to have an external media also to periodically export the VMs for > backup purposes, though I would like to have a local copy of the VM > disk > images at the other host, readily available in case I face issues with > the > external media or one of the hosts. What do you think about this > approach? > Am I missing some other feature or better approach? > > Regrading the sync/replication of the VMs between the hosts (without > ZFS), > I was thinking also to have a dedicated local LVM volume for these > periodic > backup jobs configured within Proxmox and then the custom script to > just > rsync these backup images between the two hosts. This seems a simple > one > though it increases the storage requirements, while with the previous > approach with the custom script, the script would snapshot, sync to the > other side and remove the snapshot without keeping a redundant local > copy > of the disk image in the same host. > > Sorry for the long read. > Appreciate any feedback. > > Alex > _______________________________________________ > pve-user mailing list > pve-user@lists.proxmox.com > https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pve-user