From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from firstgate.proxmox.com (firstgate.proxmox.com [212.224.123.68]) by lore.proxmox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36CD91FF187 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 09:24:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from firstgate.proxmox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by firstgate.proxmox.com (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 836A71B5FE; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 09:26:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <2ee98bc8-d3b4-4664-b6ba-a9a80296bb81@proxmox.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 09:25:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: pbs-devel@lists.proxmox.com References: <20250723143152.3829064-1-d.csapak@proxmox.com> <931c8fa8-694e-43fe-9354-7ba752063b2c@proxmox.com> Content-Language: en-US, de-DE From: Christian Ebner In-Reply-To: X-Bm-Milter-Handled: 55990f41-d878-4baa-be0a-ee34c49e34d2 X-Bm-Transport-Timestamp: 1753687538551 X-SPAM-LEVEL: Spam detection results: 0 AWL 0.045 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DMARC_MISSING 0.1 Missing DMARC policy KAM_DMARC_STATUS 0.01 Test Rule for DKIM or SPF Failure with Strict Alignment RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED 0.001 ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to Validity was blocked. See https://knowledge.validity.com/hc/en-us/articles/20961730681243 for more information. RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED 0.001 ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to Validity was blocked. See https://knowledge.validity.com/hc/en-us/articles/20961730681243 for more information. RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED 0.001 ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to Validity was blocked. See https://knowledge.validity.com/hc/en-us/articles/20961730681243 for more information. SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001 SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record SPF_PASS -0.001 SPF: sender matches SPF record Subject: Re: [pbs-devel] [PATCH] tape: forbid operations on a s3 datastore X-BeenThere: pbs-devel@lists.proxmox.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Proxmox Backup Server development discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Proxmox Backup Server development discussion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: pbs-devel-bounces@lists.proxmox.com Sender: "pbs-devel" On 7/27/25 12:37 AM, Laurent GUERBY wrote: > On Thu, 2025-07-24 at 08:50 +0200, Dominik Csapak wrote: >> Hi >> >> On 7/23/25 21:51, Thomas Lamprecht wrote: >>> This was fine and I applied it but still have some comments on one >>> of the arguments that would indicate that this never makes sense to >>> have, as IMO it can. >>> >>> Am 23.07.25 um 16:31 schrieb Dominik Csapak: >>>> namely: >>>> * backup to tape from s3 (including a configuring such a job) >>>> * restore to s3 from tape >>>> >>>> It does not work currently, but it probably does not make sense to allow >>>> that at all for several reasons: >>>> * both are designed to be 'off-site', so copying data from one off-site >>>> location to another directly does not make sense most of the time > > Hi, > > With my CISO hat on I see tapes physically removed from the tape > library as an essential security tool providing the "offline" property > to one copy of the backups, this is orthogonal to "off-site" being > discussed here. > > S3 is typically online, even if some providers offer S3 to > tape/offline. > > Bandwith/delay constraints especially for full restore after a > successful deep cyberattack might favor an "on-site "offline" tape > backup for many organization. > > Backup solutions like Veeam already provide "object to tape". > > I think it would be nice to have this feature in the PBS roadmap if > there's no technical roadblock to having the same feature set for S3 > and directory datastore, including tape. Hi, please do open an issue on https://bugzilla.proxmox.com for this, maybe also linking to this thread via the following link: https://lore.proxmox.com/pbs-devel/ad4d893fad70444ed36ebcd1cefbf58081d905e5.camel@guerby.net/T By this you can get also notifications on status progress, I will have a look at how to implement S3 <-> tape as well. Thanks, Chris _______________________________________________ pbs-devel mailing list pbs-devel@lists.proxmox.com https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs-devel