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X-BeenThere: pve-user@lists.proxmox.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Proxmox VE user list <pve-user.lists.proxmox.com> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/options/pve-user>, <mailto:pve-user-request@lists.proxmox.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.proxmox.com/pipermail/pve-user/> List-Post: <mailto:pve-user@lists.proxmox.com> List-Help: <mailto:pve-user-request@lists.proxmox.com?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pve-user>, <mailto:pve-user-request@lists.proxmox.com?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2021 07:38:38 -0000 hello,=20 we want to build an experimental dynamic =E2=80=9Edatacenter=E2=80=9C in our= makerspace (mostly for academic purpose), where the number of nodes online d= epends on energy availability, heat demand, processing demand, .... , but if= i see this right a proxmox cluster needs half of the nodes +1 online to hav= e quorum, i.e. for example we wont be able to start a vm if only two out of 1= 0 nodes are online.=20 what=E2=80=98s the best way to solve this, i.e. what is the most secure/cons= istent way?=20 eg for a cluster of 10 nodes, what about adding 10 virtual proxmox dummy nod= es or qdevice instances in another location (so one single physical host onl= ine has quorum) instead of tuning node/quorum number in corosync configurati= on?=20 what we want is a =E2=80=9Efarm=E2=80=9C but not a cluster. but we want cent= ralized management and vm migration.=20 regards roland=